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Old 06-23-2023, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Watching the videos of James Cameron. He said he "knew" that the submersible had imploded because of several reasons. He mentions that he knew because the sub had not surfaced on Monday. What a crock. Nobody knew the sub hadn't surfaced on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday. They spent all day and night searching for the sub on planes. Because the ocean is so vast they said they might even miss the sub if they had surfaced. Cameron is here trying to act like he knew... on Monday, that the sub was a goner. Pleeze!
I actually found his videos very informative. He knows his stuff. He was saying they lost the transponder at the same time as comms and the transponder was in a separate chamber so losing both at once meant something major happened. I’m not explaining it right probably, but I thought he was credible in his interviews.
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Old 06-23-2023, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Of course we all know it was implosion now, but he is trying to sound like he knew it had imploded way before anybody else. The man is smart but he is just bragging with this deal where he claims he knew since Monday. Entire armies were trying to figure it out and didn't know yet. Apparently all they had to do all along is call James Cameron and he would of enlightened them.
I think it was us who didn’t know - as laypeople and as people with no connections to intelligence. The military did know for sure.

He didn’t come off braggadocious to me.
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Old 06-23-2023, 12:49 PM
 
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I don't recall saying you were wrong about anything, so I don't know what you're getting so huffy about.
You said I was dreaming.




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Your claim is that a motorized wrench with torque control is unsuitable for putting the hatch on the front of that mini-sub. I personally see nothing wrong with it if the proper tool us used. And now you're derailing the conversation by telling me that I don't know what a measurement is, and blabbering about serial numbers.
You clearly don't deal with things that can cause death, after using a torque wrench. You don't, that is clear.

Yes, they are tracked by serial number, when they were calibrated by date and also have the calibration date on the torque wrench.

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Either get back on track and show why a state-of-the-art wrench with torque control is unsuitable for attaching the hatch on that mini-sub, or not. Puffing up your chest, boasting and belittling me is proof of nothing.
I've been on track, because you don't like what I say, is not my problem. There are reason why ACFT are not allowed to use a "state-of-the-art" torque wrenches, and if you cannot figure that out, again, your problem. You should read up on ISO 9100/9110, maybe learn something.

Trying to explain something is not puffing up my chest, I'm trying to tell you that in critical applications and electric torque wrench is not the way to go, period.
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Old 06-23-2023, 12:55 PM
 
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If he wasn't on the ship he should have been sent to prison.

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush said in 2021 he knew he'd 'broken some rules' by making the Titanic submersible out of carbon fiber and not pure metal: 'You're remembered for the rules you break'


Jeezus
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Old 06-23-2023, 12:58 PM
 
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You said I was dreaming.






You clearly don't deal with things that can cause death, after using a torque wrench. You don't, that is clear.

Yes, they are tracked by serial number, when they were calibrated by date and also have the calibration date on the torque wrench.



I've been on track, because you don't like what I say, is not my problem. There are reason why ACFT are not allowed to use a "state-of-the-art" torque wrenches, and if you cannot figure that out, again, your problem. You should read up on ISO 9100/9110, maybe learn something.

Trying to explain something is not puffing up my chest, I'm trying to tell you that in critical applications and electric torque wrench is not the way to go, period.
We are not alone in our suspicions...

A former submarine captain in the Royal Navy has said he believes the Titan submersible imploded after the vessel’s bolts failed or the hull was fractured.
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Old 06-23-2023, 01:13 PM
 
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Exactly, on ACFT, we cannot reuse nuts or bolts in critical areas, and I would consider the "hatch" a critical area.
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Old 06-23-2023, 01:17 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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ouch.
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Old 06-23-2023, 01:19 PM
 
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Some people just shouldn't have so much money they can spend 250k a pop to explore the titanic with an xbox controller. Money can't buy common sense unfortunately. One look at that pile of junk and anyone with common sense would go, "ehhhhh No I'll pass"
Maybe, how many dives did that particular submersible make, with that xbox controller?

AND if it's hooked up correctly (big if) then it is far more responsive than anyone can be.

Now, would I go on that submersible, no matter the way it's driven, nope. Even if I had the money.
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Old 06-23-2023, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Embarrassing, WA
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Maybe, how many dives did that particular submersible make, with that xbox controller?

AND if it's hooked up correctly (big if) then it is far more responsive than anyone can be.

Now, would I go on that submersible, no matter the way it's driven, nope. Even if I had the money.
But, the controllers can crap out. One bump into anything due to a stuck or non-responding button at those depths/pressures = implosion.
Carbon fiber can also only experience so many load cycles before it fails, far less than steel.
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Old 06-23-2023, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I don't doubt that the implosion itself was quick. But I wager that there were signs of hull failure before the actual implosion itself that led those on board to realize something was wrong and this was a possibility, which had to be downright terrifying. James Cameron had this to say about the matter:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-...fore-any-of-us
He also said it appears they tried to ascend. I wonder if they had some other reason to start ascending and whatever went wrong with the hull happened during that process. I read one way to ascend was for everyone to lean to one side to drop weights off the exterior, and then do it to the other side. But I would wonder what went wrong that would make them cancel and go up again. I’m sure there are many things that could go wrong. So, I don’t want to assume they heard noises they would make them believe failure was imminent. Anything is possible, though.
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