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Old 07-11-2023, 10:43 PM
 
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The federalist is whining. All the negative publicity was out there on Fox; the voting issues have been litigated and what they can't seem to get their heads around is that most Americans were sick of Trump, his whining and his treating the presidency as a game.
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Old 07-12-2023, 04:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Okay -- I am just putting this out here for possible comment:

I still have my doubts about whether Biden won "fair and square" (no election fraud), but it seems that I am SO much in the minority, that I am afraid to even say that to anyone besides my husband (who agrees with me) that unless someone, such as you, posts the same opinion. I mean, every single political website -- even the "respectable" conservative ones, such as the National Review -- now write as though it is absolutely 100% certain that Biden DID win fair and square.

I guess that I just find it hard to wrap my mind around the sudden stop in vote reporting in the middle of election night (and, yes, I do know that it has been explained by many different people, and not all of them leftists!) when Trump was apparently the clear winner at about midnight, and then the vote reporting suddenly stopped and then -- voila! -- Biden won after all. (Again, I know that was explained!) But what I really find much more mind boggling than that was that BIDEN received 81 million votes! All kidding aside, I just found it unthinkable that a man who sometimes appeared to be actually incoherent (if not actually senile) could win over Trump, who -- despite being a narcissistic boor and a scumbag of a human being, in my opinion -- was the lesser of two evils (although, granted, not by much) in the minds of so many voters.

So what I am asking is this: Is it now at least 95% certain that Biden was the winner in the minds of at least 95% of the media and moderate/Independent voters?

I truly was thinking that I was just being stupid and stubborn about this whole issue, and maybe I am, but if anyone besides me (and Trump and his supporters) still thinks that Trump was the real winner of the 2020 election, I would like to know. Otherwise, I guess I will just have to admit I was wrong on this issue.
I still believe that Trump was the real winner. He was over 50% and then miraculously, several important states (GA, AZ, PA) shut down their counting and over night tons of ballots were delivered and counted and Biden ended up winning. The source of those ballots, including the ones being pulled out from under tables in GA, are very suspect and I will never agree that Biden won fairly. The Dems will say that there is no proof but there was a ton of proof. Just because judges and lawyers are paid off does not mean there was no proof. This is why I will vote for a third time for Trump.
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Old 07-12-2023, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Full time in the RV
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I read the article.

This is how the Rs self soothe (and I am an R). They now use the fraud nonsense as a pretext when things aren’t going their way.

The article claims that “nothing has been fixed”. Well...their boogeymen-Ds, the cabal, big tech, MSM, the Klingons, whomever else they blame are not completely in charge of the whole world here. Get out there, fix your problems, and most of all present candidates with forward thinking platforms.
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Originally Posted by katharsis View Post
Okay -- I am just putting this out here for possible comment:

I still have my doubts about whether Biden won "fair and square" (no election fraud), but it seems that I am SO much in the minority, that I am afraid to even say that to anyone besides my husband (who agrees with me) that unless someone, such as you, posts the same opinion. I mean, every single political website -- even the "respectable" conservative ones, such as the National Review -- now write as though it is absolutely 100% certain that Biden DID win fair and square.

I guess that I just find it hard to wrap my mind around the sudden stop in vote reporting in the middle of election night (and, yes, I do know that it has been explained by many different people, and not all of them leftists!) when Trump was apparently the clear winner at about midnight, and then the vote reporting suddenly stopped and then -- voila! -- Biden won after all. (Again, I know that was explained!) But what I really find much more mind boggling than that was that BIDEN received 81 million votes! All kidding aside, I just found it unthinkable that a man who sometimes appeared to be actually incoherent (if not actually senile) could win over Trump, who -- despite being a narcissistic boor and a scumbag of a human being, in my opinion -- was the lesser of two evils (although, granted, not by much) in the minds of so many voters.

So what I am asking is this: Is it now at least 95% certain that Biden was the winner in the minds of at least 95% of the media and moderate/Independent voters?

I truly was thinking that I was just being stupid and stubborn about this whole issue, and maybe I am, but if anyone besides me (and Trump and his supporters) still thinks that Trump was the real winner of the 2020 election, I would like to know. Otherwise, I guess I will just have to admit I was wrong on this issue.
It was not about Biden. It was about “never trump”. I don’t like Biden, but never trump. He made too many mistakes. Hilly won the popular vote- yet lost the race. Makes zero sense, but I understand how the system works. Most of the fraud was republicans pushing the envelope. Older folks. The 2nd biggest problem, people believe everything trump says to be biblical truth. If he says the sky is red - people would swear to it. That’s a problem you need to check your own self as to why you would accept that. Unfortunately many died or got very sick with Covid following a political instead of medical advice. It’s sad.
We are not perfect, the system is not perfect but I do give countless volunteers and poll workers the benefit of the doubt that they do the right thing for the American people every election.
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Oh please....the 'rigged election' was took to Court, every single court on up to the Conservative Supreme Court said that the election was not'rigged'.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AM1S1


https://apnews.com/article/election-...221f405c2111f9





Dominion voting machines just got millions after suing Fox for spreading misinformation like this.
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/18/11579...what-they-knew


Lies like this only cause harm and division to our country.



https://harvardlawreview.org/forum/n...united-states/
LOL yeah, because they didn't want to see the country burned to the ground.
Think about it instead of spewing the same BS time and time again.
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Old 07-12-2023, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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The Democrats didn't rig the last election.

There was a president on the GOP side up for re-election who had been impeached 2 times, and was highly divisive, and not well-liked for his lack of accomplishments and messy behavior.

Trump lost and some folks still are sore losers. He lost by over 7 million votes and got smashed with losing the electoral votes he needed to win.

This constant "kicking cans pretending Trump won" makes some on the GOP side sound like a bunch of nutjobs.
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The Democrats didn't rig the last election.

There was a president on the GOP side up for re-election who had been impeached 2 times, and was highly divisive, and not well-liked for his lack of accomplishments and messy behavior.

Trump lost and some folks still are sore losers. He lost by over 7 million votes and got smashed with losing the electoral votes he needed to win.

This constant "kicking cans pretending Trump won" makes some on the GOP side sound like a bunch of nutjobs.
Rigged and stolen.

7 million popular votes doesn't mean SQUAT
It's the electoral votes, look at the 'swing states' - mine being one of them - look at the rules changes, look at the massive mail in vote counts, look at the lack of ID, look at the counting that was stopped in the middle of the night, they have sworn affidavits of people who trucked in ballots from NY to PA. (I know, nothing to see here, move along).

You could have the entire thing on videotape and you people would never admit to anything.

You make people show up with a valid ID and prove who they are, and you have honest vote counting, and Trump wins, huge.
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Rigged and stolen.

7 million popular votes doesn't mean SQUAT
It's the electoral votes, look at the 'swing states' - mine being one of them - look at the rules changes, look at the massive mail in vote counts, look at the lack of ID, look at the counting that was stopped in the middle of the night, they have sworn affidavits of people who trucked in ballots from NY to PA. (I know, nothing to see here, move along).

You could have the entire thing on videotape and you people would never admit to anything.
Trump has hypnotized a lot of folks like yourself into thinking he won.

Newsflash, Trump lost the election.

It's not productive to keep saying he won--it sounds crazy. You gotta move on and let it go.
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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And the Dems are going to rig this next one as well because they realize that Republicans aren't smart enough to figure out how they are doing it.

It's like taking candy from a baby.
Easy to figure out, use the intel agencies to file false warrants and the media to act as a left wing propaganda machine and the dems to run hearings as if they were in the soviet union and special counsels packed with certified trump haters. Then you need a few judges who allow voting violations to pre-empt state law.

first time in history the media allowed a demented candidate to keep his campaign. The slightest hint of mental compromise, real or imagined, the media would end that campaign, as they did with Perry, Dukakis, and Dean.

The dems rig their own primaries. the dems can take a candidate the dem voters rejected in must win dem primaries and use him to magically replace the leading dem candidate. That leading candidate suddenly goes silent contrary to his nature. Clearly a deal was struck.

Desantis will be hamstrung by the swamp and media and ultra left wing socialists disguised as democrats and accomplish nothing. He will have to learn where all the traps have been set. Wasted time when what we need is action not a learn on the job while being accosted along with his wife being targeted.

Trump knows the lay of the land in the swamp. The country cannot afford a learn on the job repub candidate.

Trump is the outsider the country always longed to have in the oval office. His accomplishments are legendary. All the while the entire swamp tried incessantly to unseat him.

The chaos around trump is not of trump's doing it is the barrage of attacks fired by the media, left wing dems , unethical liars disguised as legislators like schiff, nadler water van clyburn, biden eyc.

The chaos will not go away with another repub candidate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Propaganda effort to suggest chaos owned by Trump. Too many have fallen for that lie.
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Old 07-12-2023, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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And the Dems are going to rig this next one as well because they realize that Republicans aren't smart enough to figure out how they are doing it.

It's like taking candy from a baby.


Dems don't have to "rig" the election, because they already have the complicit media and much of the legislative and judicial branches in their back pockets.

They don't need to actually hack anything, because they've already hacked the media and therefore the people.
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