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Old 07-25-2023, 01:35 PM
 
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I believe these people are protesting dragface shows for children, which should be illegal, as dragface is sexual in nature. A just society does not sit idly while children are being sexualized.

However, dragface, in general, should not be illegal, just as blackface is not illegal. Both are highly offensive to the people they openly mock. But, blackface was not seen as heinous in only a day, so I imagine it will take time for people to see dragface as heinous.

All I know is that church cannot be a Christian church. It must be one of those pagan churches, disguised as a Christian church. That's what the left is aiming for. To return to the good-ole pagan days.....
Drag shows are not necessarily sexual in nature. Just a man dressed like a woman. Whether it's appropriate for children, I would leave up to the parent. Keep government interference to a minimum. Why do you conservatives want to ban everything?

Jesus Christ never said anything against drag shows, so I don't see how you can conclude that this church is not Christian.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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These people are pure nutjobs. Anyone trying to ban Drag Shows should be thrown in jail for trying to stop free speech.
Thank goodness some Fed Judges are trying to stop this insanity.
Obscene materials do not have First Amendment protections and thus can be prohibited. Legally, there is a three-pronged test, known as the Miller Test, to determine whether or not something is obscene:

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  • Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
  • Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
  • Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.

The first two prongs of the Miller test are held to the standards of the community, and the last prong is held to what is reasonable to a person of the United States as a whole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

I do not know if this particular drag show would be considered obscene under this definition. But if it is, it does not have First Amendment protection. In any case, the fact that there are demonstrators protesting against it could be taken as an indication that it is not acceptable according to the standards of the Nashville community.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:40 PM
 
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So, in 2020 during you know the Summer of Love, we had mostly peaceful protests with deaths and billions of dollars in property damage.

The shouts echoed to the heavens for the right to "protest".

Flip the script and the left gets their panties in a twist over a protest outside of a church?

Quick - call in the emotional support llamas and the oxygen masks!
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:41 PM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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I don't think the government should be involved. If a parent wants their kid to see a stripper, then fine.
It's amazing when liberals and progressives suddenly become libertarians. "Children can visit strip clubs. Women can murder their child in the womb at any point of the pregnancy for any reason. But, we'll regulate ICE vehicles ang gas stoves out of existence. And, don't you even think of using a plastic straw!"
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:42 PM
 
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I don't think the government should be involved. If a parent wants their kid to see a stripper, then fine.
I am not comfortable with children watching strippers whether it be women or drag queens. If actual nudity is involved we have age laws on that already. If its just some goofy drag queen prancing around clothed no need to ban it. Their parent or legal guardian should make that decision.

There are far worse things children are exposed to on a daily basis. I am sure there are thousands if not more children who watch their parent doing meth or crack right in front of them with that stuff in the house. All sorts of porn can be viewed by anyone including young children. There are religious leaders molesting children right now somewhere. But somehow if we just stop the drag queens all will be well even though there is no evidence of children spontaneously becoming trans because they watched this sort of thing. Nor do they spontaneously become clowns if they see one at a kids birthday party.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:45 PM
 
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These people are pure nutjobs. Anyone trying to ban Drag Shows should be thrown in jail for trying to stop free speech.
Thank goodness some Fed Judges are trying to stop this insanity.
So you are for taking away someone's freedom for exercising their rights.

Yep. Sounds like typical liberal logic.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It's amazing when liberals and progressives suddenly become libertarians. "Children can visit strip clubs. Women can murder their child in the womb at any point of the pregnancy for any reason. But, we'll regulate ICE vehicles ang gas stoves out of existence. And, don't you even think of using a plastic straw!"

Imagine if liberal parent decided that it's ok to sell of their children to child sex traffickers or were paid for some creep to have sex with their child (and it does happen). Apparently its ok if the parents think it is.

That's probably why we have laws.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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What about strippers? Should they be able to perform for children? I could care less about drag shows as long as they are for 18+. Period. Just like tattoos, strip clubs, voting, etc..
Only problem-the people we're talking about aren't aroused by adults. Just children.
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Old 07-25-2023, 01:57 PM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Drag shows are not necessarily sexual in nature. Just a man dressed like a woman. Whether it's appropriate for children, I would leave up to the parent. Keep government interference to a minimum. Why do you conservatives want to ban everything?
Once again, it's amazing when liberals and progressives suddenly become libertarians...

You are correct, dragface is not necessarily sexual, but it tends to be. In fact, it's a fetish for many that partake in it. Many dragface shows feature sexual undertones, but, not all of them. Because of this, society has a duty to protect children from being sexualized.

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Jesus Christ never said anything against drag shows, so I don't see how you can conclude that this church is not Christian.
Dragface mocks God's creation of two distinct genders.

Dragface also sets women back to a time when they were seen solely as sex objects and other misogyny. Men dressing up in exaggerated wigs, exaggerated makeup, often with exaggerated female sex organs, often prancing around a stage in a sexual manner, gyrating their hips, says women are worth nothing more than their sexual value. It's absolutely despicable! It's no different than blackface, too.
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Old 07-25-2023, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Obscene materials do not have First Amendment protections and thus can be prohibited. Legally, there is a three-pronged test, known as the Miller Test, to determine whether or not something is obscene:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

I do not know if this particular drag show would be considered obscene under this definition. But if it is, it does not have First Amendment protection. In any case, the fact that there are demonstrators protesting against it could be taken as an indication that it is not acceptable according to the standards of the Nashville community.
Just because some neo-nazis show up for a protest somewhere doesn't mean Nashville as a whole has neo-nazis values.
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