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I have read that historians consider support for/against the Revolution to be roughly 40%-50% in favor, roughly 20% against, and the remainder sitting on the fence.
It does make me wonder where they are getting those numbers when the representatives of the Continental Congress, which was an outgrowth of the "Committees of Correspondence"(a loose affiliation of somewhat radical political groups), and created purely in opposition to Britain, and which didn't include the State of Georgia, was a third loyalist and a third opposed to the revolution/independence.
This article claims "30-40%" were "patriots". In any case, the predicted number of loyalists varies from 20-33%, and the predicted number of "patriots" varies from 30-45%. There were more patriots than loyalists but patriots were always the minority(except in New England).
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Originally Posted by djmilf
What I mean by Jefferson still living in 1776 in his head during 1798 is this. Jefferson left the Continental Congress in September 1776, became a Virginia state legislator and then Governor of Virginia, returned to the Continental Congress in 1783 as a delegate from Virginia, then became the American minister to France in 1784. He finally returned to the United States to take the post of Secretary of State in George Washington's first administration, then resigning after Washington's first term, and then becoming Adams single term Vice President. In all of this, Jefferson had been out of the national political mainstream most of this time, basically maintaining his radical views of 1776. When he was part of the national government, he still moved to the rhythm of radical revolution.
Meanwhile, most of the rest of the founders had moved on from the political radicalism of 1776, establishing a constitution and a federal government that was more conservative politically than the Continental Congress had been. By 1798, Jefferson thought that the solution to political issues were his 1776 radical revolutionary methods, not the constitutional methods that had developed since then.
Thomas Jefferson was never out of government. He was George Washington's Secretary of State until his resignation over a disagreement over the French Revolution.
He was Vice President under John Adams(which at that time was the second-most votes in a presidential election). No, the reason Thomas Jefferson was a radical, was because he was a radical. He saw the French Revolution as an extension of the American Revolution and he essentially helped to start the French Revolution while he was Minister to France. He corresponded with Adams, Madison, and others during the Constitutional Convention. And was a significant reason the Bill of Rights was added.
Yes, quite the radical still, in 1798, when many remaining founders had moved to a slightly more conservative stance.
George Washington was never a radical. John Adams was never a radical. Alexander Hamilton was never a radical. James Madison was never a radical. The only true radicals were Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson.
Most of the founders only wanted self-government. The American Revolution wasn't actually a revolutionary war. It was a war for independence. The same men in power before the war were in power after the war, and not much changed for the average person.
It's not that the founding fathers became more conservative, but that the radicals were pushed out once they became a danger to the new republic.
Sharpton? You're kidding me you listen to this guy the liar. Tawana brawley liar.
The true insurrection and slow coup of America as we know it.... it's traditions and culture are being taken over by the Marxist Democrat party. No truer statement than this.
Since the Jan 6th Hoax fell apart, we are attempting to judge and prosecute political leaders' thoughts and intent, so long as it's a political leader of the wrong party.
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The thought police is all over the Marxist Democrat party...
Marxist Democrat party?
That's what we thought back prior to President Donald J. Trumps 1st term, but now had come to find out it is the established "intelligence" community, DOJ, academia, media, RINOs, etc.
Since the Jan 6th Hoax fell apart, we are attempting to judge and prosecute political leaders' thoughts and intent, so long as it's a political leader of the wrong party.
The thought police is all over the Marxist Democrat party. Even when Trump was saying at one time I could declassify but now since I'm not president I can't declassify. Nothing at all wrong with that statement. The sickos are trying to look for something ,some kind of thought some kind of gotcha. I read it and I had to laugh. These sicko Marxists just try to read into everything.
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