How Many Of Our Problems Can Be Traced To The Forty+ Million Illegal Aliens In Our Country? (weapons, borders)
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The problem is that laws aren't made to govern sensible things. When those laws are then broken as nobody has an interest in upholding the law, it creates a knowledge base for the law to be broken for less sensible things. It also puts people already outside of the law, which further deteriorates other laws and standards.
The reality is that economic patterns were already developed with Mexico prior parts of Mexico becoming the United States. While much of the US westward expansion was fueled by groups of families each homesteading small plots. Estates tended to be awarded in much larger sizes within the Spanish, then Mexican empire. These estates, which can span for miles, were never intended to be worked by a single family. While Spanish, they were simply rights as the King owned all land. These rights were solidified in concessions to helping oust the Spanish, or held fast by the earliest settlements in the Missions that moved up the coast of California.
At first, the primary agricultural aspect was grazing rights for cattle. Cowboys could be domestic, but could also be nomadic when herds needed to be moved to market. Later on, the soil was found to be good in western Mexico and into California for an amazing number of high value ag products....however the balance of when labor was needed was also extreme. Lots up front and at the end....not much in the middle. However, with the way nature works and growing seasons start and finish, a skilled farm hand could profitably start a season in Mexico, end it in Northern California and have enough utilization during that time period to return home for the winter.
Then there was a war and a new arbitrary line was established. Yet, if the line is truly followed, the economics of the entire process break down. Working only an early half or late half of a given season is not sensible. Hence, the law was largely ignored and migrant teams found ways of moving forward undetected and provided an adequate living for those that chose to do follow the season and return home with their money. It was a natural region with an arbitrary line cut through the middle of it. So the order of the day was to come, do the work, and then leave when the work was done....and nobody really had significant problems with this. It was an allowed and accepted nomadic way of life.
What impeded this more than anything was a significant influx of Americans during the Great Depression. These families were used to hired help being tied permanently to the land and the families that....oversaw them. This was in sharp contrast with the come, work and leave attitude prevalent in California. The harvest cycle was disrupted and wages plummeted. Prior to the Depression, approximately 20% of the nomadic harvest workforce was of European decent. By the middle of the 30's, this had risen to 85%. The earlier nomadics were pushed out as there was no point going further into America. There were too many workers and not enough jobs even as acreage in agriculture zoomed much higher.
However, outside of starvation and economic depression in their homelands....many of the new pickers truly didn't envision this as a wanted career. As they either returned home or integrated into other occupations, the need for the migrant workers returned, and frankly continues to this day.
However, by not making this sensible thing legal early enough, the population became adept at ducking the law and knowing how to operate and support itself outside of the law once it was across the border. All of the infrastructure needed to support easy illegal immigration was established. And more and more providers started to pick up on it and offer other jobs, especially in the food industry. Meatpacking, restaurants, service industries. These too became further organized as people realized that working directly may get someone in trouble, but if someone starts an LLC....then I can legitimately sell services and enforcement is unlikely to rise high enough. If it does....it's nothing to simply flip into a different LLC. Like most immigrant groups to the US....after a time they start getting more and more advanced and the next group fills in at the lower end.
And because the holes in our controls became so well known....other groups could use it at will. Ironically, tough border controls that really served to reduce immigration were generally wanted by politicians with union constituencies, whereas freer groups wanted immigration to provide labor for growth.
There are now migrant visas for farm workers. However, it's so easy to enter the country, some skip it. So there's still work to be done with the program and then we'll have compliance. There are many facets to this issue, but I thought this one would be worth looking at. At the end of the day, this is a Federal decision (as it should be) that needs to have consideration of local requirements. The longer this is ignored, the more chaotic things will become.
Any Spanish speaking person in America who barely knows English should be suspected of being an illegal alien.
Unless they can prove otherwise.
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Originally Posted by SunGrins
Only an idiot or fascist would claim that. You have to prove they are lawbreakers.
Why would anyone living in this country not want to learn English? Serious question. You would think they would want to learn to fit in. Yet, you have many (especially in So Cal) that have been here for 20+ years that seem like they just jumped the border a week ago.
I wouldn't even go vacation in another country if I couldn't speak a few basic sentences of their language.
MYTH #1: “Immigrants will take American jobs, lower wages, and especially hurt the poor.”
FACT: Immigrants don’t take American jobs, lower wages, or push the poor out of the labor market.
MYTH #2: “It is easy to immigrate here legally. Why don’t illegal immigrants just get in line?”
FACT: It’s very difficult to immigrate legally to the United States. Immigration law is second only to the income tax code in legal complexity.
MYTH #3: “Immigrants abuse the welfare state.”
FACT: Immigrants use significantly less welfare than native-born Americans.
MYTH #4: “Immigrants increase the budget deficit and government debt.”
FACT: Immigrants in the United States have about a net zero effect on government budgets — they pay about as much in taxes as they consume in benefits.
MYTH #5: “Immigrants increase economic inequality.”
FACT: Maybe. The evidence on how immigration affects economic inequality in the United States is mixed — some research finds relatively small effects, and some finds substantial ones. The standard of living is much more important than is the income distribution.
The OP's thread is specifically about illegal immigration, yet this article appears to be about legal immigrants. It also contains zero evidence after each "fact", just a link to another report at the bottom.
The OP's thread is specifically about illegal immigration, yet this article appears to be about legal immigrants. It also contains zero evidence after each "fact", just a link to another report at the bottom.
Leftist playbook 101. Blur the lines. Then follow up with a healthy dose of two of their four favorite D words, downplay and deny.
Meanwhile, just announced, another 13 Billion dollars of our tax dollars is being sent to the country of Ukraine.
WTHIGO.
Oh, excuse me, I stand corrected. It's 24 Billion.
Last edited by RogueMom; 08-10-2023 at 05:15 PM..
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