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Even if we were able to kill every single cartel member in Mexico, the drug trade would just move somewhere else.
This! The black market operates on free market principles, if there is demand and money to be made somebody will come in and fill that niche. We need to reduce the demand to the point that it’s not worthwhile for anybody to get into business. Reducing demand can be done by providing easily accessible and affordable mental health, as well as life coaches/counselors who can provide advice to people on how to navigate the low points in their lives. Back in the day people used to turn to their churches and priests for such services but now days most young people are not religious so they need a secular alternative, otherwise they will turn to self medicating themselves.
One of Viveks first move as President will be to use the US Military to target the cartel and fentanyl production in Mexico. He does not want a full scale war with Mexico only targeted attacks. What do you think?
You have cruise missiles. You have aircraft. You have drones.
So what if a few women and children get killed. The spouses are anything but innocent and if they're dumb enough to endanger their children, then Darwin is working.
You really need to do no search, no entry into the US.
You can do that right now. The Supreme Court said so almost 50 years ago. The only thing is 100% of people must be searched 100% of the time. The first time you let a mouthy mayor or screaming State legislator or crying Congress critter or whiny celebrity through without searching you're done. Not only that, but anyone you arrested on that day goes free because you no longer have any evidence since it was illegally obtained because someone didn't search a pushy person.
But none of that matters because the southern border is unguarded and fentanyl pours into the US.
Bush, Obama, Trump, and Hiden are responsible for those deaths for not doing their job and securing the border.
Hiden has temporary immunity as President but Bush, Obama, and Trump don't so people should start filing wrongful death lawsuits against Bush, Obama, and Trump for failing or refusing to do their jobs.
Fences and walls don't work. I can get 12 people through a fence in 15 seconds. Some people think fences are a nuisance. I don't. I like them. I got onto a cult property in Virginia and was roaming around looking for someone's daughter who got sucked up into the cult. They didn't know I was there because they were dumb enough to think fences protected them.
That doesn't mean you can't use fences. You can do like the Eastie Beasties did and create a 1 km Zone. Put up a 1 meter rabbit fence, a microwave intrusion detection system, two 4 meter fences with Y-outriggers and razor wire and fence fabric sensors that'll alarm if someone touches them or tries to climb or cut through them and put guard towers in line-of-sight. You can have a 3-person mobile team respond to the exact point where a breach might be occurring and shoot everything.
Do that and it'll take a whole 24 hours before everyone gets the message that there's no more free lunch.
That would also strangle the drug-traffickers here in the US. They'll start using boats. No problem. You can increase the size of the Coast Guard. Quite a few countries, including NATO member countries, have some awesome brown-water patrol boats. Fast. Small crews (8-12). Equipped with Harpoons or Styx or Exocet missiles. You start sinking ships and you start costing the Cartels lots of money.
That's the problem with the War on Drugs. Never was a war. Well, there was a war against the users thanks to the Media, but there never was a war on traffickers or cartels.
You have cruise missiles. You have aircraft. You have drones.
So what if a few women and children get killed. The spouses are anything but innocent and if they're dumb enough to endanger their children, then Darwin is working.
You really need to do no search, no entry into the US.
You can do that right now. The Supreme Court said so almost 50 years ago. The only thing is 100% of people must be searched 100% of the time. The first time you let a mouthy mayor or screaming State legislator or crying Congress critter or whiny celebrity through without searching you're done. Not only that, but anyone you arrested on that day goes free because you no longer have any evidence since it was illegally obtained because someone didn't search a pushy person.
But none of that matters because the southern border is unguarded and fentanyl pours into the US.
Bush, Obama, Trump, and Hiden are responsible for those deaths for not doing their job and securing the border.
I have said they need to widen the ports of entry to more lanes. I don't see how you can fully search everyone. Sometimes the drugs are welded into compartments that would take quite a while to discover. Are we going to be dismantling everyone's vehicles. Its not practical. Lots of Amercans cross the border and back everyday. Same for Mexican nationals. Make 3 times as many lanes open as it is now and you can check 3 times as many people and not slow things down.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Hiden has temporary immunity as President but Bush, Obama, and Trump don't so people should start filing wrongful death lawsuits against Bush, Obama, and Trump for failing or refusing to do their jobs.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Fences and walls don't work. I can get 12 people through a fence in 15 seconds. Some people think fences are a nuisance. I don't. I like them. I got onto a cult property in Virginia and was roaming around looking for someone's daughter who got sucked up into the cult. They didn't know I was there because they were dumb enough to think fences protected them.
I don't know for sure but I believe a former president would be immune to wrongful death lawsuits. Look at Bush 2 and Iran. He directly ordered wars to be fought which killed many Americans as well as many more foreigners.
That doesn't mean you can't use fences. You can do like the Eastie Beasties did and create a 1 km Zone. Put up a 1 meter rabbit fence, a microwave intrusion detection system, two 4 meter fences with Y-outriggers and razor wire and fence fabric sensors that'll alarm if someone touches them or tries to climb or cut through them and put guard towers in line-of-sight. You can have a 3-person mobile team respond to the exact point where a breach might be occurring and shoot everything.
Do that and it'll take a whole 24 hours before everyone gets the message that there's no more free lunch.
That would also strangle the drug-traffickers here in the US. They'll start using boats. No problem. You can increase the size of the Coast Guard. Quite a few countries, including NATO member countries, have some awesome brown-water patrol boats. Fast. Small crews (8-12). Equipped with Harpoons or Styx or Exocet missiles. You start sinking ships and you start costing the Cartels lots of money.
That's the problem with the War on Drugs. Never was a war. Well, there was a war against the users thanks to the Media, but there never was a war on traffickers or cartels.
Don't underestimate the cartel. And again much of the drugs coming in come right past the border patrol waving them through at the border. Someone showed on here examples of cardboard drones that can go 75 miles are undetectable by radar and can be controlled with your phone. They also have a pretty good sized payload. We might stop one thing then some new technology takes us right back to step one.
You do need a double wall / fence with a zone in-between. And you need a lot more border patrol at the border.
While I’m not completely against the idea, there would most likely be serious blowback.
This is the most succinct way to say it. Not sure if the blowback is worth it. We need to do something to stop the overall illegal immigration and it’s not just limited to cartels.
My response was to someone who seemed to not consider the downside of doing that. I like the spirit in solving the cartel but things could go really wrong. We are way more powerful than Mexico but China, Russia the cartel taking aim at use will be a huge problem. If they strike inside our country? Say a coordinated drone attacks hits civilian targets in El Paso and kills dozens of Americans? The optics will be horrible.
Then what? NATO storms in with us? A attack on a NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. So we would have to march into Mexico or bomb the heck out of everything.
And we are doing this to avenge 100K junkies dying each year. The average American not using dangerous drugs has nothing to worry about with Fentanyl.
Agree. The bigger problem is illegals coming in. If people want to abuse drugs, that’s on them ultimately. I’m not willing to risk our innocent citizens for this. I do think something more extreme should be done to curb the immigration issue, though, which I suppose is not relevant to this discussion. Although, if the cartels were stopped or limited, maybe it would decrease how many people want out so badly.
This is the most succinct way to say it. Not sure if the blowback is worth it. We need to do something to stop the overall illegal immigration and it’s not just limited to cartels.
Agree with your last statement. Illegal immigration is harmful to all of our law abiding citizens who did nothing to deserve this. Those who use drugs have only themselves to blame.
All we have to do is secure the border and not let no one in. But our government is full of sell outs who don’t care for its citizens.
Government failed. It’s has been taken over.
Mexico is run by the cartel. That is the reality so you know they reaction wouldn't be good. A war on the cartel is a war on Mexico.
I’m sure there are officials in the Mexican government who would like to wipe out the drug trade, but to do so would mean a death sentence for them or their families. Those drug cartels are ruthless murderers.
It would take covert assassins to take them out and I don’t think we want that.
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