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Old 08-23-2023, 11:24 AM
 
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I think it's just the trajectory we've been on for probably the past decade now. Starting with benign seeming things like EZPass, Facebook, Alexa, smart homes and Ring cameras.
Yes, The origin of EZPass was benign. I believe it was implemented to save turnpike authorities money by eliminating human toll collectors and data collection was just an unplanned side effect of the technology. Facebook, Alexa, Ring and other smart home technologies on the other hand were created for the purpose of data collection which means they are not benign, and never were benign to begin with.
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Old 08-23-2023, 11:30 AM
 
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Yes, The origin of EZPass was benign. I believe it was implemented to save turnpike authorities money by eliminating human toll collectors and data collection was just an unplanned side effect of the technology. Facebook, Alexa, Ring and other smart home technologies on the other hand were created for the purpose of data collection which means they are not benign, and never were benign to begin with.

Well, I said benign-seeming, which to many people they don't even see a problem with their data being collected.


When EZPass first came out here, I remember a lot of people worried about it generating traffic tickets. For instance, the Atlantic City Expressway is a total of about 40 miles long. It has two places you have to pay a toll. People were saying EZPass would see if you got from the first toll to the second too fast, they'd mail a speeding ticket. It would be easy to do. I think the only reason they haven't is because everyone would get rid of EZPass if they did. They'll wait until there are no more options and people have to have it.


There was also a divorce case that became news here back then, because the wife was able to use her husband's EZPass records to prove his affair.
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Old 08-23-2023, 11:49 AM
 
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Well, I said benign-seeming, which to many people they don't even see a problem with their data being collected.
Data collection makes identity theft and scams much easier for criminals to perpetuate. Sadly many people do not develop an understanding of this until they are victimized and then it is too late. Like you wrote earlier, they'll say they have nothing to hide but it really is not about hiding anything, it is about protecting personal data from those who will take advantage.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:38 AM
 
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It's actually the Left who has been fighting cashless society. Because many of the poor, illegals and others championed by Progressives don't have credit cards. Every bill introduced to prevent cashless cities was brought forth by Dems.
The leftist NGOs aren't handing out cash to these people, they're handing out debit cards.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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I wonder by curiosity what blacks and hispanics will think of facial recognition when they'll go to a ballpark?
Anyone who has stepped into an airport or casino has had their face scanned for facial recognition.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:46 AM
 
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Maybe because Black and Asian faces are misidentified more often by facial recognition software? It could lead to false arrests and allegations?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/faci...race-1.5403899
That may be true, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Those systems are not exact (except in one rare case) and still require human verification of the subject before any kind of decision is made (arrest, etc.)

It can be a problem in building access systems, but that's more an inconvenience. If it turns out to be a bad fit for certain people, they can use fingerprint or iris as well. This is why many systems are multimodal. Worst comes to worst, there's usually a keypad for entry of an ID number.
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:48 AM
 
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The leftist NGOs aren't handing out cash to these people, they're handing out debit cards.

You're making an assumption that all low income people are getting government benefits, it's not the case. I know many working class people that have bad credit, too.

Regardless, whenever bills aimed at preventing cashless stores is presented, it has always been brought forth by Dems.

"Gov. Phil Murphy on Monday signed into law a bill that bans most brick-and-mortar businesses in the state from refusing to accept cash from customers, making New Jersey only the second state to do so"

New York City is the largest U.S. city to have approved a ban on cashless stores. Similar bans passed in Philadelphia, New Jersey and San Francisco in 2019. Chicago and Washington, D.C. are mulling similar policies as well. These bans are costly too, with fines up to $2,000 for each violation in Philadelphia."

H. R. 4395
A bill to prohibit retail businesses from refusing cash payments, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Rep. Payne, Donald M., Jr. [D-NJ-10] (Introduced 07/09/2021)

H. R. 2650
To prohibit retail businesses from refusing cash payments, and for other purposes. Rep. Payne, Donald M., Jr. [D-NJ-10] (Introduced 05/09/2019)

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tw...res-2019-05-17

"Representative David Cicilline, a Democrat from Rhode Island, has authored legislation nicknamed the Cash Always Should Be Honored (CASH) Act. The bill so far has attracted nine co-sponsors, all Democrats, including Representatives Yvette Clarke of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts."[/LEFT]
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Old 08-24-2023, 11:59 AM
 
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You're making an assumption that all low income people are getting government benefits, it's not the case. I know many working class people that have bad credit, too.
No, I am not. I am responding to your statement.

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Because many of the poor, illegals and others championed by Progressives don't have credit cards.
I never said ALL. You just made that up.
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