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Old 10-10-2023, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Rust'n in Tustin
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I want football games decided by who has the best looking cheerleaders, but them ain't the rules

 
Old 10-10-2023, 10:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Most of CA wanted to ban gay marriage too.
 
Old 10-11-2023, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What if we voted to ban political parties and affiliation?
 
Old 10-11-2023, 07:56 AM
 
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That is complete BS.

The MAIN PURPOSE of the electoral votes for states was to ally the fear of smaller states that VIRGINIA would not automatically select the presidents. This was a major concern of smaller, less populous states at the time.

Democrats are into revisionist history to suit their current, often moving, agenda.

Moving to a poplar vote to select the president would be the beginnings of secession, which in the end would be great for conservative states.

When was the last time a democrat ever supported anything that was good for the US and promoted individual rights and state's rights? Never! The whole agenda in a "popular vote" is just another back handed means of dems attempting to subvert the system and permanently install democrats.

Dems no longer hold dear the rule of law nor The Constitution. For that reason, we must ultimately separate from them, as they are on a path of national and cultural suicide. It is ironic indeed that even democrats seek to leave the situations they have created, unable and unwilling to understand that it is their own "values" and ideology that has produced the environment they now hate.
If you are going to be so adamant about calling out BS on someone at least get your facts correct. The Electoral system was a compromise and not a well put together one. One group wanted the president elected by congress while another group wanted it done by popular vote. The fight against congress doing it was concerns over the executive and legislative branches not having enough separation. The fight against the popular vote was the concern that voters in rural areas at that time did not have enough "sophistication" to make an informed decision and also that a populist president promising the world to the people could create a dangerous amount of power. The states were thus given a certain number of electoral votes dependent on population, which also led to the 3/5 compromise so southern states had more representation due to slavery. Gotta love that Republican revisionist history to suit their current, often moving, agenda right?
 
Old 10-11-2023, 12:08 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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If you are going to be so adamant about calling out BS on someone at least get your facts correct. The Electoral system was a compromise and not a well put together one. One group wanted the president elected by congress while another group wanted it done by popular vote. The fight against congress doing it was concerns over the executive and legislative branches not having enough separation. The fight against the popular vote was the concern that voters in rural areas at that time did not have enough "sophistication" to make an informed decision and also that a populist president promising the world to the people could create a dangerous amount of power. The states were thus given a certain number of electoral votes dependent on population, which also led to the 3/5 compromise so southern states had more representation due to slavery. Gotta love that Republican revisionist history to suit their current, often moving, agenda right?
The 3/5 Compromise is a bit more nuanced. The states with large slave populations wanted a one for one count while the non-slave states (or rather the ones which didn't have many (New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, etc.) wanted a zero count. The 3/5 was born from that.
 
Old 10-11-2023, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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What if we voted to ban political parties and affiliation?

There would still be a left and there would still be a right. And they would still find each other, talk to each other, and vote together.

We're talking humans here, remember.
 
Old 10-11-2023, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There would still be a left and there would still be a right. And they would still find each other, talk to each other, and vote together.

We're talking humans here, remember.
I do... but if they weren't obligated to a party, or a platform and they voted on single legislations...

just sayin'
 
Old 10-11-2023, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I do... but if they weren't obligated to a party, or a platform and they voted on single legislations...

just sayin'

I belong to a political party, and even give them money on occasion, but I hardly feel "obligated" to them.
 
Old 10-11-2023, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I belong to a political party, and even give them money on occasion, but I hardly feel "obligated" to them.
...but you don't 'get' money either. The politics of 'beholding' exists.
 
Old 10-11-2023, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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California is not the entire country.





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You mean it would be decided by the people
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