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Trump won the 2016 election because no one really liked Hillary. She just took it for granted that she’d win. She didn’t campaign in the blue wall states. She was an idiot for not doing that. Trump campaigned there and won their vote. Biden just took it back. Sorry you can’t accept that.
I can't accept it? What are you taking about? LOL. I live my life everyday and that's not what I'm talking about on 2020.
Hillary is not an idiot. She got 65.8 millions votes and maneuvered from being a First Lady to U.S. Senator, to S.O.S. and Presidential candidate, twice. She was running as Democrat 3rd term in the W.H. and that hasn't been done since 1988. I hardly call that being an idiot since No first lady has ever came close to what she did. Like I said before,both parties are on thin ice and can lose any given election especially if they are in power. The margin of victory comes down to 3 to 4 states by a hair.
Biden won it by a hair in 2020 by winning 25 states with a lot of irregularities because of the pandemic and We shall see if he can do it again in 2024. Politics is a roller coaster and taking turns in power. Biden doesn't win in 2020 with the numbers he has now. 38% approval on the economy is not getting him re-election.
True. That was one big reason but instead of admitting H.C. was a horrible candidate and Trump won fair and square. The Dems ran with the Russian collusion conspiracy. Why?
Because it was too painful for them (and many in the MSM) to admit Trump pulled off the biggest upset in US Presidential history.
That (imo) is what started it all the distrust. The Dems and their "Not my President" mantra.
That was 2nd. They wanted to push war with Russia and make sure Trump doesn't ruin those plans. It explains perfectly the first impeachment over a phone call. Since when We impeach Presidents over a phone call about nothing?
It makes sense. You make up lies about Trump being in bed with Russia 24/7 and it pushes Trump to be a war hawk on Russia. It was by design. You have both parties in the Senate in the same boat so they pushed Trump to go hard on Russia if he wanted his administration to go smooth.
but the fact is Democrats have questioned elections they lost and call the other side illegitimate. For then to come now and act like they always respected the outcome and the system is laughable.
If mail in ballots were an issue, how did Trump carry Utah where mail ballots have been a thing for some time? How did Congress end up with a Republican majority in the House? Trump lost. Period. There has been no proof of any major fraud, and from the stories in the various news outlets, more Republicans have been convicted of election fraud than Democrats.
Do you have a pet parrot like Baretta did?
Because you parrot the lefty lines to the letter.
UTAH doesn't matter. UTAH votes Republican every time and the mail in voting there didn't matter. The democrats didn't have to do anything in UTAH.
It was Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona that did matter, and those were the 5 states with all of funny vote counts, middle of the night ballot dumps, mass mail in voting without signature verification, and illegal rules changes.
The electoral vote count was 306 for Biden and 232 for Trump.
All of these states "voted" for Biden:
Pennsylvania - 20 votes
Georgia - 16 votes
Michigan - 16 votes
Wisconsin - 10 votes
Arizona - 11 votes
That's 73 electoral votes that would have flipped the election. 270 are needed to win so numerous combinations of flipping some of these 5 states would have given Trump a win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the 5 states that were the most important ones and where the democrats pulled out all of the dirty tricks.
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Do you have a pet parrot like Baretta did?
Because you parrot the lefty lines to the letter.
UTAH doesn't matter. UTAH votes Republican every time and the mail in voting there didn't matter. The democrats didn't have to do anything in UTAH.
It was Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona that did matter, and those were the 5 states with all of funny vote counts, middle of the night ballot dumps, mass mail in voting without signature verification, and illegal rules changes.
The electoral vote count was 306 for Biden and 232 for Trump.
All of these states "voted" for Biden:
Pennsylvania - 20 votes
Georgia - 16 votes
Michigan - 16 votes
Wisconsin - 10 votes
Arizona - 11 votes
That's 73 electoral votes that would have flipped the election. 270 are needed to win so numerous combinations of flipping some of these 5 states would have given Trump a win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the 5 states that were the most important ones and where the democrats pulled out all of the dirty tricks.
For those that truly want to know what went on with the 2020 election, read Trump attorney's book Stealing Your Vote by Christina Bobb and Mollie Hemingway's book Rigged.
Much of what I've read from the left in this thread is poppycock. If you're getting your information from the traditional media you're probably brainwashed. Just because things turned out the way you wanted in 2020 is no reason to ignore the fact the election was indeed rigged for Biden, and attempts at a true audit in many places were stymied, oftentimes by Republicans. They wanted him gone almost as bad as Democrats. Just more proof we need a legitimate new third party in this country, neither of the other two can be trusted - they are corrupt to the core.
They used voter harvesting. It's not really illegal, it's just not in "good spirit" and you might say... they bent the rules to get as many votes as they could, and they will continue to do so in future elections, so republicans need to come up with a way to counter it. The only real way since most republican votes are from more rural areas where it's harder to go door to door, is for their base to get off their butts and vote.
Turnout is everything. You can't have 50% turnout when the opposition is going door to door collecting votes. The left are totally projecting. They are the ones that bend the rules most to get votes, while they gaslight and say the right is doing it. Human nature 101, really. It's the right's fault for playing by the rules and not doing more to level the playing field and make sure they have as much advantage as the left does. Play to win. Don't play fair. You will lose that way.
I may just have to read those books mentioned in the above post.
"This is an impressive litany of how the Democratic Party levered Donald Trump out of the White House, using a mixture of legitimate and illegitimate tactics, all of which are meticulously detailed by Mollie Hemingway.
In many respects it's a frightening piece of work, showing how Big Tech and the DNC seek to manipulate the population to do their bidding.
In a way you have to admire the Democratic Party for its incredible devotion to winning at any price. And yet with that attitude they have poisoned political discourse and the integrity of elections in the USA.
The Republican Party need to read and understand the implications of this book and take steps to restore the sanctity of the ballot box and the political process.
If they don't, we are likely to see the same thing happening over and over"
What's going to happen is the democrat party will turn into the autocrats they claim so much to oppose. They want unchecked power and everyone assimilated into their cult. Period.
Trump is still claiming that he won but the election was stolen. Don’t know if he actually thinks that or is just saying it because he painted himself into a corner and can’t now say, yea, I lost fair and square.
Are his supporters so paranoid or delusional that they sincerely think there was a monumental conspiracy involving many of the 10,000 voting precincts and 3,000 county election boards. Yet not one person has come forward with any proof. I am guessing no one actually believes that, but are too dishonest to say so. Gullible or dishonest, which is worse?
when the intel agencies file false warrants and collude with the media to spread lies based on false information and the dems hold hearings using unprecedented procedures..... that constitutes election interference! The same election interference dems falsely claimed got Trump elected and still refuse to accept the result of the 2016 election.
Sop YES based solely on that the election was corrupted and biden is an illegitimate office holder.
then we have all the election gurus, on both sides, saying Trump needed 65million votes to win. Trump gets 75 million and loses??
Trump draws historic sized crowds to his appearances, Biden stays in his basement titrating meds to make himn appear mentally solvent, and rearely speaks and when he does it is to a hand picked crowd of dozens. and Trump Loses?
states violated their own voting laws and judges washed their hands of the infractions, cowards, not wanting to get embroiled in historic controversy.
Dem voters reject biden in 'must win' dem primaries, hardly makes an effort against other candidates. Bernie is all hands down leader. suddenly, overnight, Clyburn endorses Biden and he is the DNC choice.
historically any prez candidate who make a mental mistake had their campaign ended by the media. Ask Perry, Dukakis, and Dean!
The media would not tolerate any sign of mental insolvency, no matter how small.
Now we have a stumbling fool who can't tell his wife from his sister and the media looks the other way?????
then in retrospect ask yourself if the biden who 'campaigned' is the same biden who sits in the oval office?
Close your eyes and whose policies do you see being pushed? You see the dem primary leader, Bernie Sanders policies being pushed by an obviously mumbling president in steep mental decline, who keeps referring to 'them' behind the curtain who will take him to task for not following directions.
Can;t imagine why anyone would think the 2020 election was legitimate on that basis alone.
If that is not enough evidence consider the economic destruction of the country due to biden admin's puppeteers and the abandonment of national security to set the stage for a 911 style attack and financing of the drug cartels to point where fentanyl is a leading cause of death for 18 to 45 year olds. The upheaval in the ME and the dollar threatened with replacement by foreign actors. You think the people would vote for that????
The only way the socialists can run biden in 2020 is if they are assured of winning the election by fraudulent means.
Forget all the claims about rigging the ballot box, enough evidence has been demonstrated to make a claim of the 2020 election being corrupted by the LEFT, and biden an illegitimate president.
I believe that the 2020 election was stolen. I was up all night and I do know that usually the small villages come in last with their votes. That didn't happen. Plus the mountains of evidence that I've read .
Almost 1,000 Americans signed an affidavit of all the evidence of fraud that was seen.
Trump draws historic sized crowds to his appearances, Biden stays in his basement titrating meds to make himn appear mentally solvent, and rearely speaks and when he does it is to a hand picked crowd of dozens. and Trump Loses?
I think you have your answer right here. The people who didn't vote for Trump also watched those appearances, heard him speak, and that's exactly why they voted for the other guy. ANY other guy was sufficient. The whole point was to get Trump out of there. Listening to him speak yet again was likely sufficient to send cringing voters the other way.
Now the Republican party is faced with that same advantage with Biden, so don't blow it by putting that goofball back on the ballot. Put up someone just good enough that people will vote for him or her to get rid of Biden, and Bob's yer uncle.
Not the optimum idea, but it seems that these losers are all we ever get to choose from anymore.
I personally hope Biden does not run again.
There are lots of people like me out there, not married to or supportive of any one party.
Give us someone who speaks well, comes across as intelligent, and maybe even who has served our country in the military, which I personally think is important. The bar is not that high. Surely you can find this person.
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