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Old 10-20-2023, 02:08 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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As if no one saw that coming.

Canada Will Legalize Medically Assisted Dying For People Addicted to Drugs
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Canada will legalize medically assisted dying for people who are addicted to drugs next spring, in a move some drug users and activists are calling “eugenics.”

The country’s medical assistance in dying (MAID) law, which first came into effect in 2016, will be expanded next March to give access to people whose sole medical condition is mental illness, which can include substance use disorders. Before the changes take place, however, a special parliamentary committee on MAID will regroup to scrutinize the rollout of the new regulations, according to the Toronto Star.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3b...icted-to-drugs

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Patient: "I'm mentally ill."
Doctor: "What's your problem?"
Patient: "I want to kill myself."
Doctor: "We can help you with that!"
Patient: "Err, okay... Wait, what???"

Yeah, no slippery slop.

Never give the government the power to kill you. If you do, they will eventually encourage it to decrease expenditures.
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:02 AM
 
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As if no one saw that coming.

Canada Will Legalize Medically Assisted Dying For People Addicted to Drugs


https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3b...icted-to-drugs

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Patient: "I'm mentally ill."
Doctor: "What's your problem?"
Patient: "I want to kill myself."
Doctor: "We can help you with that!"
Patient: "Err, okay... Wait, what???"

Yeah, no slippery slop.

Never give the government the power to kill you. If you do, they will eventually encourage it to decrease expenditures.
I suppose we could just take the US approach and let them live in an alley until the OD on fentanyl.

Also, I'd shop around a bit and make sure you're getting the whole story.
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:03 AM
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Yes! Do this in the US! Great way to get rid of degenerates and skells!
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:21 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I suppose we could just take the US approach and let them live in an alley until the OD on fentanyl.
As long as they're breathing there is a chance they can recover. It's all over when you're dead. Choose life.

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Also, I'd shop around a bit and make sure you're getting the whole story.
From the horse's mouth.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html

About halfway down.
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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I don't have a problem with a protocol for euthanasia for some mental illnesses. Of the close friends of mine who have died from terminal depression, before they made that final choice there was years of therapy, treatment, lifestyle changes, etc. I use the term "terminal depression" because that's the term a friend's mother used at his funeral - he had a supportive family around him, a fantastic job, a long-term partner who loved him and they all tried absolutely everything in the medical and therapy space. It didn't work.

From that perspective, I'd much rather there be an option that causes less harm to those around them compared to having to find a loved one in any of the ways one might when they die by suicide. Having a regimented process may actually reduce suicide since there would be room for intervention and likely (should be..) a requirement to demonstrate that treatment has failed. It's not like someone would be able to walk in off the street and say "I want to die today."
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:39 AM
 
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If people are going to be made to live with clinical depression which lasts for decades and for which they have tried remedies which don't work and leave lasting debilitating side effects, then society should pay for their care. Otherwise society is simply making them suffer in pain.
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:54 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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I suppose we could just take the US approach and let them live in an alley until the OD on fentanyl.

Also, I'd shop around a bit and make sure you're getting the whole story.


I am not sure if most severally mentally disturbed individual would even have legal capacity to even make such decisions.

Even in European countries that allow medically assisted dying in relation to the terminally ill there has to be strict adherence to human rights laws including Article 2 (The Right to Life) of the European Convention on Human Rights.

The idea that assisted dying should extend to someone who is not terminally ill is controversial, and in terms of most mental illness and drug addiction it is medically treatable, and people can go on to lead normal healthy lives.

I wouldn't even consider euthanasia in relation to a domestic pet with a treatable condition never mind in relation to a family member or human being full stop.

Whilst I am sure many Canadians are depressed and embarrassed by Justin Trudeau and his liberal government, things may get better in the future, and Canadians should bear this in mind before doing anything rash.

Perhaps euthanasia is a the sensible option in terms of Justin Trudeau and his liberal government, and I think many Canadians would vote in favour of this.

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Old 10-20-2023, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Yeah, no slippery slop.

Never give the government the power to kill you. If you do, they will eventually encourage it to decrease expenditures.

Or Trudeau will use this to take care of those pesky truckers


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If people are going to be made to live with clinical depression which lasts for decades and for which they have tried remedies which don't work and leave lasting debilitating side effects, then society should pay for their care. Otherwise society is simply making them suffer in pain.

That's intellectually dishonest and an example of flawed logic. Nobody is forcing them to live. They are alive because their heart is beating, their lungs are filling with air, etc. Society did not make that happen. Every problem is not someone else's fault. I suppose if you absolutely must blame someone, blame their parents for giving them life.
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Old 10-20-2023, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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How about expanding it to politicians?
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Old 10-20-2023, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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How does a mentally ill person give informed consent?
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