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1) The eight samples from the Levant Bronze Age(3+5) all match modern Palestinian/Jordanian populations.
Where do they say that? They're talking about Lebanese, not Jordanians or Palestinians. Lebanese do not cluster with Palestinians according to the charts in that study. And they mention that they found ancestry in the Lebanese population not present in these bronze age/neolithic people, hence even Lebanese don't overlap.
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2) The Canaanites were a mixture of those Neolithic peoples and Iranian peoples from the East(which explains the genetic shift to the right).
No.
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3) The major genetic shift occurred because of agriculture and the corresponding rise of civilization.
No. More genetic shifts have occurred in the last 1,000 years (especially the last 100 years) than during the rise of agriculture.
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1) Rome called it Palestine in reference to the Philistines. Which is one of the groups the Jews took the land from.
The Philistines settled in this area from the Aegean islands. It was actually the Greeks who first used this term, the Romans just used it later. How can the Jews take the land from the Philistines when the Jewish people originate from the land and the Philistines came to it from the islands?
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2) It was called Judea before Rome renamed it, yes. And it was Canaan before the Jews stole it. What's your point?
Jewish people come from the Canaanites. You seem to forget what language the Canaanites spoke: Hebrew.
Canaanites practiced a polytheistic religion which eventually became Judaism. Once the people converted to Judaism, they became known as Jews. But the language and genes and cultural practices of the Canaanites survive in the Jewish people.
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3) Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic are all Semitic languages.
So what? Semitic is a language family. So is Indo-European. Does that mean Hindi is native to Germany?
Arabic is native to the sands of Arabia and of the Bedouin people. It has nothing to do with the Levant.
If America didn't exist, Israel wouldn't exist. If the West falters, it's over for Israel. And you can bank on that.
Why? Whose going to crush Israel?
You seem to forget that Jewish (mainly German and Hungarian Jewish) scientists cemented America's role as the number 1 superpower after WW2 by developing a nuclear bomb for the USA. They could have easily gone to the USSR and done it there, and we'd be in a very different world.
Neither China nor Russia nor India want to destroy the Jewish state. Only Iran, and the Arabic street do. That's not enough.
That is the path the British chose as they ruled that territory. No turning back now.
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If America didn't exist, Israel wouldn't exist. If the West falters, it's over for Israel. And you can bank on that.
If the US or Russia or China ever thought that their existence was in jeopardy you can guarantee that they would use the nuclear option if backed into a corner. The same with Israel. Best thing for everyone is that you allow Israel to continue to exist as a sovereign nation and that a separate Palestinian state is created.
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Think of Mexico kind of like Ukraine, whereby China is essentially pumping money and weapons into Mexico like we are doing in Ukraine. At the same time, China is using its money and social media(eg TikTok) to destabilize the United States by promoting radicalism, racism, and separatism.
There is already a Hispanic movement called "Aztlan". Most of the American Southwest is already Mexico at this point. If violence begins breaking out in the United States(Civil War), Mexico and China would covertly support Hispanic separatists in the Southwest using our long border to smuggle weapons to the separatists. If they are winning, Mexico will recognize them as an independent country. If they start losing, Mexico(with Chinese support) would use the violence to justify protecting their citizens/ethnic group on land that was historically Mexico(see Russia/Ukraine).
If I was Mexico/China that is what I would do anyway.
Mexicans come to the US to escape the socio-economic conditions in Mexico. Why would they want to move to Texas or California simply to make those states part of Mexico? Not very logical. Even IF that was actually a movement, the US gov. wouldn't just let it happen. Look what happened to the South in the Civil War.
Yes, the Jews didn't want to be ruled by the Muslims because they expected the Muslims to treat them as second-class citizens. Which is exactly the reason the Muslims don't want to be ruled by the Jews, who not only treat them as second-class citizens, but want to ethnically-cleanse them for the stated purpose of building an ethnically-pure Jewish state. There is nothing Israel opposes more than making Palestinians full citizens. Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. It's why the Jews blew up the King David Hotel.
PS: You do realize Jews spit on Christians, right? It is literally an "ancient tradition" going back to Jesus. This idea that the Muslims are malicious but the Jews are benign is an absurdity. Both are malicious. Both hate Christians. Both hate white people. I have no idea why Westerners think of Jews as their friends. They hate you.
Exactly, pretty much everywhere is conquered territory, so using ancient ancestral territorial claims is a never-ending absurdity. At one time, Europe was all "Hunter-Gatherers". You might as well say the ethnic group with the highest Hunter-Gatherer ancestry is the rightful owner of all of Europe(which I believe are the Baltics, Estonians in particular).
Yes, but to some extent this is true of all people(Out-of-Africa). For that matter, both Palestinians and Jews are members of the "Caucasian Race". They all have Yamnaya blood, and almost certainly some Roman blood as well. The only truism here is that Jews, if considered a single group, are slightly more related to each other than all Europeans are related to all Jews. But individually, some Jews are far more closely related to Europeans than to other Jewish groups, and some Jews are far more closely related to Arabs/Turks/etc, than they are to other Jewish groups.
Basically, Germans are essentially a monolith. They all pool together genetically in a relatively tight circle. Whereas Jewish genetic variation is greater than all European variation combined. Moreover, most Jews are not ancestrally anywhere close the original inhabitants of Israel. The Ashkenazi are white for god's sake. The original Israeli's were basically Egyptian.
No, Jews don't hate Christians or white people, nor do they spit on them. The same goes for Muslims. For example, Arabs comprise approximately 20% of Israel's population, and the vast majority of them are citizens with the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis. Also, if they hated them so much, thousands wouldn't have commuted from Gaza daily to work in Israel before Oct. 7th. You are projecting YOUR hatred of Jews by making statements such as these, when, in fact, it is the Jews who have been spit on, tortured, and killed by people of other faiths (dare I name Christians for the majority?) for centuries. Quit lying.
Yes, the Jews didn't want to be ruled by the Muslims because they expected the Muslims to treat them as second-class citizens. Which is exactly the reason the Muslims don't want to be ruled by the Jews, who not only treat them as second-class citizens, but want to ethnically-cleanse them for the stated purpose of building an ethnically-pure Jewish state. There is nothing Israel opposes more than making Palestinians full citizens. Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. It's why the Jews blew up the King David Hotel.
PS: You do realize Jews spit on Christians, right? It is literally an "ancient tradition" going back to Jesus. This idea that the Muslims are malicious but the Jews are benign is an absurdity. Both are malicious. Both hate Christians. Both hate white people. I have no idea why Westerners think of Jews as their friends. They hate you.
Better an Arab Israeli living there than, say, a Kurd in Iraq. Imperfect as it is, they do have a voice and have their own communities throughout Israel. As for Christians and their discrimination of them, I don't condone it any more than I do Israel's choice to overlook the Armenian Genocide for the purposes of political expediency with Turkey. It's hypocritical to the 9th degree and they should be ashamed of it.
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Exactly, pretty much everywhere is conquered territory, so using ancient ancestral territorial claims is a never-ending absurdity. At one time, Europe was all "Hunter-Gatherers". You might as well say the ethnic group with the highest Hunter-Gatherer ancestry is the rightful owner of all of Europe(which I believe are the Baltics, Estonians in particular).
An important point that I would bring up is how the infrastructure, government and technology is a product of Israel ingenuity. The Palestinians could reclaim all of the Levant tomorrow and I'd say they shouldn't be allowed access to those resources outside of limited compensations for past atrocities perpetrated by Jewish settlers and the military. I feel similarly when it comes to the United States. Even if every white person were to decide to up-end themselves and go back to Europe, that doesn't mean Chuck Hoskin Jr should be given the nuclear codes.
Of course then you'd have a couple million Arabs who were living in Israel that would probably not be too happy as their qualify of life would likely take a hit also, problems in Israel or not.
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Yes, but to some extent this is true of all people(Out-of-Africa). For that matter, both Palestinians and Jews are members of the "Caucasian Race". They all have Yamnaya blood, and almost certainly some Roman blood as well. The only truism here is that Jews, if considered a single group, are slightly more related to each other than all Europeans are related to all Jews. But individually, some Jews are far more closely related to Europeans than to other Jewish groups, and some Jews are far more closely related to Arabs/Turks/etc, than they are to other Jewish groups.
Basically, Germans are essentially a monolith. They all pool together genetically in a relatively tight circle. Whereas Jewish genetic variation is greater than all European variation combined. Moreover, most Jews are not ancestrally anywhere close the original inhabitants of Israel. The Ashkenazi are white for god's sake. The original Israeli's were basically Egyptian.
And I've seen plenty of Palestinians with whitish looking skin (perhaps the product of some distant European or Slavic bondservant ancestry). The genetics of the Jews link them to the Levant. Just because the Palestinian Arabs haven't faced the same diasporic circumstances doesn't mean they aren't genetically varied themselves. Particularly given the genetic variances based on religious facets and the importations of Arabic peoples from places like Egypt.
And I've seen plenty of Palestinians with whitish looking skin (perhaps the product of some distant European or Slavic bondservant ancestry). The genetics of the Jews link them to the Levant. Just because the Palestinian Arabs haven't faced the same diasporic circumstances doesn't mean they aren't genetically varied themselves. Particularly given the genetic variances based on religious facets and the importations of Arabic peoples from places like Egypt.
Whitish skin is not a monopoly of just Europeans. Many Iranians, Afghanis, etc have pale skin and sometimes even pale skin, blue eyes, and blonde hair in combination. It need be a product of recent European admixture either. Nikki Haley is a great example. She passes as White, but is from Punjab, northern India.
Also, the original people of the levant were often described as pale skinned, some as blondes and red heads. You should think the complexion of the Greeks. There is no reason why people of the levant should be darker than say the Greeks, until that is they admixed with Bedouin Arabs.
Secondly, Jews absolutely do hate white people, rofl. They see us as their enemy, or at least as a threat. Elon Musk got in trouble recently for pointing it out.
Just read pretty much every great intellectual/philosopher in history. They all say the same thing about the Jews. Hell, just read your Bible(New Testament), it says the same thing. The Jews are the enemies of all mankind. Always have been, always will be. You are the Goyim. An animal.
I have no idea why Christians imagine Jews as their allies. Jews want nothing more than to destroy Christianity. They have been the intellectual leaders of all anti-Christian political/social movements for hundreds of years. They hate Jesus. They believe he is boiling in excrement for all eternity.
If the US or Russia or China ever thought that their existence was in jeopardy you can guarantee that they would use the nuclear option if backed into a corner. The same with Israel. Best thing for everyone is that you allow Israel to continue to exist as a sovereign nation and that a separate Palestinian state is created.
1) Israel wouldn't even have nukes if not for us.
2) Do you know why Israel won't admit to having nuclear weapons? Because by America's own laws, we would have to sanction Israel if he had nuclear weapons.
3) Israel is a tiny country in the desert with a population far too large for its size with almost no natural resources. If Israel couldn't trade, it would literally starve to death and become one of the poorest countries on the planet.
4) The best thing for everyone would be for Israel to have never existed at all. Moreover, Israel has taken almost the entire West Bank via illegal settlements and walls. Israel will NEVER give any of it up. They are clearing out Gaza as we speak, and they will never allow the people there to return. Just like they didn't allow the refugees from the previous wars to return.
5) What should happen is that Israel should become a multicultural country, allow all Palestinian refugees to return, and give them equal rights.
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Mexicans come to the US to escape the socio-economic conditions in Mexico. Why would they want to move to Texas or California simply to make those states part of Mexico?
Do you understand why America is rich and Mexico isn't?
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You seem to forget that Jewish (mainly German and Hungarian Jewish) scientists cemented America's role as the number 1 superpower after WW2 by developing a nuclear bomb for the USA.
To be fair, the nuclear bomb is not what made America the #1 superpower. And unlike what is popularly believed, the nuclear bomb played no role in the outcome of WWII or its immediate aftermath. All of the "Conferences" between the big three powers, which essentially carved up the world, happened long before Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Technically, the United States had been the largest industrial power since the late-1800's. By the end of WWI, the United Stats economy was three times larger than any European country(which is why the Great Depression caused by the US financial system led to a worldwide depression). By the end of WWII, the US economy was 5x larger than anyone else's.
Our nukes didn't deter China in Korea(China had no nukes). I think the nuclear deterrent is exaggerated anyway. Russia's nuclear threats aren't deterring us in Ukraine either. The Soviet Union lost 25 million people in WWII, and probably another 10-20 million because of Stalin, but the Soviet Union won WWII and took control of half of Europe. Hitler would have gladly sacrificed half the German population if it meant victory.
Moreover, the ruling classes never really pay a price unless they lose, and not always even then. Furthermore, why wouldn't Muslims be willing to lose a few million people if it meant wiping Israel off the map? Don't they love death more than the infidel loves life?
To be fair, the nuclear bomb is not what made America the #1 superpower. And unlike what is popularly believed, the nuclear bomb played no role in the outcome of WWII or its immediate aftermath.
Oh yes it did. Not so much in WW2, but the post Cold War aftermath. Nukes and how many you had determined your leverage.
Just imagine if the USA never developed any nukes and the USSR did because all those brilliant Jewish scientists went there instead. What would have the USA been able to do when the USSR would place nukes in Cuba? How would Europe look without America being able to halt USSR advancement? Japan? USSR would have taken Japan if the USA didn't drop atomic bombs first.
I know you hate Jews. I know you probably subscribe to some form of White Nationalist ideology. But you just have to accept reality, and the reality is this: there is no ethnic group on this earth more consequential and more influential than the Jewish people.
Nothing is by accident. Jews did not get lucky and the USA decided to support Israel. Everything happened for a reason, and through hard work, lobbying efforts, money, and political capital.
Israel will never be on its own. Jews in every Western country, who rose to the tops of the economic and political landscapes, will make sure of that.
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