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Old 12-19-2023, 03:50 PM
 
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You keep talking the religious right - I haven't been to church in decades and I was on the left up until a few months ago - so you are stereotyping all of us when there are really very few religious right on these boards. That's what's so funny.

 
Old 12-19-2023, 03:50 PM
 
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Regarding the underlined - yes - if you are going by defining people by their sexual preference.

It's not a fair comparison if you are defining LGBT as some sort of trade group like pastors, teachers, Disney employees, cops, etc.
How so?

Do you have any proof that LGBTQ+ people “have a track record of being sexual with kids?”

I’m not defining by profession, but pastors are the front facing leaders of the religious right as a whole.

Being religious isn’t a profession. Youth ministers often are volunteers.

Are you saying that LGBTQ+ people are more likely to molest children than religious people? Because that doesn’t seem to pan out.

Of course there’s a cross over in that Venn diagram as well.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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A Tennessee pastor and his wife have been arrested on multiple counts of child rape.

There seems to be a misconception on this forum that children are more at risk of sexual abuse if they are in contact with members of the LGBTQ+ community, and that the religious right are immune from such activity as they actively warn against the supposed child predatory practices of gay and transgender persons.

Unfortunately, it would appear that churches and youth ministries are rife with the CSA behaviour they (rightly) condemn.

If people are going to demonise an entire community based on the actions of a few, then surely all communities should be subject to the same rules.

Is it time to make church going an over 18 only activity? Should we keep pastors and youth ministers away from vulnerable kids? Parents trust those who speak out against alternative lifestyles and supposed child groomers because they must be safe, right? They wouldn’t be covering for their own abusive behaviour, surely?

If some are guilty, we can trust none of them. That’s the logic seen here in a daily basis.

I’ve listed a couple of recent examples below, but there are many, many more.


https://www.wsmv.com/2023/09/26/trav...outputType=amp





https://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime...s/71043835007/
I suspect those with such inclinations go into youth ministries and the like, fully knowing that they'll be dealing with vulnerable people (youngsters, in that case), many of whom confide in them, get close to them, and then take advantage of them. That happens to adults as well. Many years ago, there was a local serial rapist who went around entering women's houses/apartments and doing unthinkable things to him. He got caught, and it turns out he was a local youth minister or minister of music or some such. Of course, that doesn't mean that all people in churches are that way, but it certainly happens.

There's also an inordinate number of Catholic priests who seem to be predatory as well.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 03:58 PM
 
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You keep talking the religious right - I haven't been to church in decades and I was on the left up until a few months ago - so you are stereotyping all of us when there are really very few religious right on these boards. That's what's so funny.
All of us?

Who’s all of us?

If you’re not holding up the religious right as paragons of virtue while maligning the LGBTQ+ community then I’m not talking about you.

Do you think access to children by youth pastors and church officials, who seem to molest children on a regular basis, should be restricted?

That was my question posed in the OP.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 03:59 PM
 
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How so?

Do you have any proof that LGBTQ+ people “have a track record of being sexual with kids?”

I’m not defining by profession, but pastors are the front facing leaders of the religious right as a whole.

Being religious isn’t a profession. Youth ministers often are volunteers.

Are you saying that LGBTQ+ people are more likely to molest children than religious people? Because that doesn’t seem to pan out.

Of course there’s a cross over in that Venn diagram as well.
Because with many of those trade groups, they include people of both sexual preferences.

With some of those trade groups, they involve people with authority - which makes a difference. That doesn't apply in the same way w/ LGBT people.

Did I really need to explain that to you? Or are you just fishing to downplay LGBT sexual abuse issues?
 
Old 12-19-2023, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by FinsterRufus View Post
A Tennessee pastor and his wife have been arrested on multiple counts of child rape.

There seems to be a misconception on this forum that children are more at risk of sexual abuse if they are in contact with members of the LGBTQ+ community, and that the religious right are immune from such activity as they actively warn against the supposed child predatory practices of gay and transgender persons.

Unfortunately, it would appear that churches and youth ministries are rife with the CSA behaviour they (rightly) condemn.

If people are going to demonise an entire community based on the actions of a few, then surely all communities should be subject to the same rules.

Is it time to make church going an over 18 only activity? Should we keep pastors and youth ministers away from vulnerable kids? Parents trust those who speak out against alternative lifestyles and supposed child groomers because they must be safe, right? They wouldn’t be covering for their own abusive behaviour, surely?

If some are guilty, we can trust none of them. That’s the logic seen here in a daily basis.

I’ve listed a couple of recent examples below, but there are many, many more.
Florida is working on a law which would mandate this couple be taken behind the shed and executed.

However, I have a feeling they would mete out the death penalties quite selectively depending on many factors like sexual orientarion, race, religion, party affiliation etc.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 04:08 PM
 
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Because with many of those trade groups, they include people of both sexual preferences.

With some of those trade groups, they involve people with authority - which makes a difference. That doesn't apply in the same way w/ LGBT people.

Did I really need to explain that to you? Or are you just fishing to downplay LGBT sexual abuse issues?
I’m not fishing at all.

I’m asking you to provide proof that LGBTQ+ people have more “abuse issues” than others.
 
Old 12-19-2023, 06:03 PM
 
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You don’t get off that easily. There is a only one party that peddles sexualizing kids and it’s your groomer party. Democrats don’t get a pass for their crimes against humanity.



Thanks for proving you don’t care about victims, nor does your faux moral posturing do you any favors. Your knee jerk reactions and frantic googling says it all about you.

And I’ll just keep positing a PLETHORA of secular, Democrat and alphabet groomers your party enables. Tik for tak as they say, no?



You’ve already revealed the mind of a sycophant of the groomer party. The only thing ridiculous is you panic googling as your groomer party keeps getting exposed for the perverts it harbors and defends.

Not a good look for you, let alone sane. Keep proving our point, yet you keep tying the noose tighter and tighter with every ridiculous post. No wonder the groomer party is being abandoned in droves by minorities, they aren’t sick in the head like the groomer party wants them to be.
Oh, like this groomer? Don’t think he’s a Democrat, though. Thanks new poster.


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A 31-year-old church deacon in Florida will spend more than two decades behind bars for secretly filming young boys using the bathroom inside the church where he served and possessing “hundreds, if not thousands” of child pornography images and videos, prosecutors said.
https://lawandcrime.com/crime/florid...des-in-prison/
 
Old 12-19-2023, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh, like this groomer? Don’t think he’s a Democrat, though. Thanks new poster.




https://lawandcrime.com/crime/florid...des-in-prison/
The poster you were going back and forth with had a point. No one marches in the street to keep pedophile clergy in places where there are children. We can’t say the same about gays or trans now can we?
 
Old 12-19-2023, 06:13 PM
 
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The poster you were going back and forth with had a point. No one marches in the street to keep pedophile clergy in places where there are children. We can’t say the same about gays or trans now can we?
Why can’t gays or trans be around children?
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