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yes and I wish they had brought charges sooner but if they had we would be still having this same conversation about it being political and it looking more like it. It was a damned if you do damned if you don't thing. As it is, Donald's very early announcement for his candidacy forced them to move with a little be more alacrity. It might have been started too late. We as Americans are now waiting on the 9 people that will need to really do some deliberation. I suspect they already are kind of communicating a bit. It will be up to Justice Roberts to see the court through this question.
If Trump or anyone else committed a crime, he is supposed to be prosecuted. His announcement for candidacy should be irrelevant to the conversation. Are you suggesting that had Trump not announced his candidacy that none of these lawsuits against him would have been started?
I do believe the Supreme Court must get involved her as the 14th Amendment also includes giving aid and comfort to the enemy as a reason for a person not to be able to hold office. That is a pretty broad statement and can be used for lots of different things. Giving 6 billion to Iran who is now funding terror groups to shoot at our ships and attack our allies could be interpreted by a zealous Republican dominated state legislature to put Politics into the election.
Ideally the Supreme Court will rule on limiting states' ability to throw further chaos and politics into our elections. This goes beyond way beyond Trump. If allowed to stand, we will see this in every election going forward. Defeat him at the ballot box, don't further corrupt our election system.
The Constitution disagrees with you. It says "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof;"
Hmm, that part seemed to be missing in the change some States made in the 2020 Election.
Unconstitutional changes that is.
So what happens in the United States Supreme court agrees with the Colorado Supreme court, is Trump just off the ballot for Maine and Colorado, other sites will have to come to there own court decisions, or it Trump force off all the ballots in every state due to the ruling?
If Trump or anyone else committed a crime, he is supposed to be prosecuted. His announcement for candidacy should be irrelevant to the conversation. Are you suggesting that had Trump not announced his candidacy that none of these lawsuits against him would have been started?
I do believe the Supreme Court must get involved her as the 14th Amendment also includes giving aid and comfort to the enemy as a reason for a person not to be able to hold office. That is a pretty broad statement and can be used for lots of different things. Giving 6 billion to Iran who is now funding terror groups to shoot at our ships and attack our allies could be interpreted by a zealous Republican dominated state legislature to put Politics into the election.
Ideally the Supreme Court will rule on limiting states' ability to throw further chaos and politics into our elections. This goes beyond way beyond Trump. If allowed to stand, we will see this in every election going forward. Defeat him at the ballot box, don't further corrupt our election system.
On your question, I would hope they would eventually but we will never know. I know that the Jan 6 committee brought out a lot of evidence from the inner circle around every incident. All of them republican and actually committed to republican causes. But they didn't want to engage in a coup so they testified. This testimony put DOJ on notice I believe. Do I wish they had started a long time ago you bet.
But with our political climate it was a damned if you do and damned if you don't.
It will come down to what you say. Beat him at the ballot box again. I have enough faith in Americans to do that. I also have faith in those 9 to do a bit of soul searching, deep deliberations and self preservation.
Also the Left - Take someone off the ballot we hate, who cares if others like him and want to vote for him, we hate him so...take him off the ballot.
DeMoCrAcY......
maine secretary of state says what?
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Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows has decided former President Donald Trump is ineligible to appear on the state’s 2024 Republican primary ballot.
Bellows, a Democrat, issued her decision on three challenges brought by Maine voters, including three politicians, over the nomination petition of Trump for the GOP primary.
Do you still think she can be reasoned with because she tosses you a crumb now and then like all the other sycophants who follow her around like puppies seeking her approval? She gets more responses by right leaning posters than any other left leaning posters I can think of. Frankly if you're a right leaning poster and you don't have her on your ignore list by now I question your intelligence.
Happy New Year.
No I don't think she can be reasoned with - but I do think she's ridiculous and says insane things.
Personally, I don’t think Trump will survive primary season. Haley is nipping at his heels in Iowa already, and the constant barrage of stories about his legal peril aren’t helping him a bit. Even those who will support him today will take a long second look as soon as there is a conviction.
Haley is having issues, like the flub about the Civil War (and they said Trump was a racist and along comes SC Haley!), being a war hawk with a husband that has a LLC related to defense contracting (shell company they say).
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Yes but while they are counted, they would not count. It is kind of the way the parties wrote the system up. Like the multiple voters for Mickey Mouse or Dumbo.
That is correct.
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Democrats are doing a better job then Putin in eliminating their opponents, yet claim to be worried about threats to democracy.
Moving to socialism where they believe everything will be free paid for by profits taken from corporations.
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The Constitution says states have the right to set election dates etc for Senators and Congress Representatives.
The question is does Maine or any other state have the right to deprive every other state's voters from the right to vote for a candidate? Knocking a candidate off from a primary in a state has a very real possibility of interfering with their ability to be elected nationally.
I can't figure out how with Trump not being charged for insurrection, and it being a federal issue, that the states feel they can step up and do this. The desperation of the left has become ridiculous, and they look more, well, corrupt to the core every day.
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He's being removed from state ballots. It's time for the Supreme Court - even IF the states weren't preemptively removing him - to weigh in on whether Trump is eligible to run and serve as President after his behavior on Jan 6. I say no. I'm still actually surprised he wasn't shot at sunrise for treason.
I can't agree. The states are not in a position to charge, try and convict Trump on this. Trump has not been charged, and most understand this is a sham by the Dems to try to stop Trump from defeating Biden, who otherwise has no chance due to his declining health (imagine 6 months from now how far gone Biden will be).
Treason? He isn't involved with deals with foreign countries, and not guilty of treason. Seriously, help your party find a decent candidate and leave Trump alone! If Biden wasn't the agenda man, and the Dems could find a viable candidate, all this crap with Trump would disappear overnight.
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I agree but refusal to have his name on a ballot now is just as wrong. May as well do this to all other candidates.
They need to speed up this whole trial and stop worrying if he will get more votes in this upcoming 2024 primary election.
Biden has to win to continue to move the socialist agenda forward, MUST WIN! The agenda has a completion date of 2030, and Trump would be in the way. There is evil behind this, and they have no limits to what they will do, which concerns me for the life of Trump. (Remember the Clinton Death List - those "suicides by proxy"?
I do not understand how any state can think that they can make a determination on a federal issue, but here they are lining up to look stupid, and most already looked pretty stupid. Colorado backed off, and I am sure there is issue is illegal aliens, as they need the labor for their ski lodges and wealthy residents to include GOP and Dems.
In Biden's America, "Innocent until proven guilty" (well, for those that oppose the agenda) is being side stepped.
I don't think any of the other candidates have very arguably violated the 14th amendment.
You can't just refuse to allow a candidate on the ballot, unless you have firm grounds. And looking at the 14th . . . and Jan 6 . . .
"I think", "seems to me", and "I don't like him" are certainly not firm grounds.
From your posts we see you are opposed to due process from the get go anyway.
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