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Old 01-02-2024, 11:29 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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i read the comments under the referenced robert reich article in OP. the leftist democrat comments are almost uniformly unhinged, hateful, and furiously angry at anyone who doesn't agree with them or supports trump. the 2024 election is a powder keg and i fear that keg will be ignited no matter who wins. sad for our country.....

I'm worried you're correct on this front.
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Old 01-02-2024, 11:54 AM
 
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kdog, still waiting for an answer!
I ignored it because you're just beating a long debunked conspiracy drum which most rational people by now know is false. But since you insist on being taken to task, here ya go. This is a sample of fact checks on this claim from legit sources.

"The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations that Joe Biden, while he was vice president of the United States, improperly withheld a loan guarantee to pressure Ukraine into firing prosecutor general Viktor Shokin to prevent a corruption investigation of Ukrainian gas company Burisma and to protect his son, Hunter Biden."
Source: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory"

"Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases"
Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/"

"Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine"
Link: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

"False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son"
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...kraine-bidens/

But here's the real biggie.

"The inherent issue with this isn't whether Mr Biden called for the sacking of the prosecutor — he did, and boasted about it in a public forum in 2018. The problem is, the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed."

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...-2020/12801162

Read that again. "the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed"


Got it? The timing of Trump's claim doesn't even work.


So now the onus is on you to provide CREDIBLE sources saying that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin because he was investigating his son.

You need to supply credible references which prove that he did, not cheap attempts by you to discredit these legit sources. Show us what you got, other than baseless claims by Republican liars.

Last edited by kdog; 01-02-2024 at 12:04 PM..
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Old 01-02-2024, 09:14 PM
 
Location: The South
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Just saw some stuff by Robert Reich on Biden and Trump. Sounds like the beginning of madness caused by TDS.

The last adult in the room
Why the hell is Trump rising in the polls?
Robert Reich
Dec 29, 2023



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xds9WDUd1yc
Short complex in action.
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:54 AM
 
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He is one of the fools who predicted the economy would be destroyed if Trump became president, then admitted to being biased in his mistaken view. He sluffed it off as economists never really know what is going to happen, but that obviously does not stop him from expressing his biased views.
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Old 01-03-2024, 06:58 AM
 
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Read that again. "the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed"

Got it? The timing of Trump's claim doesn't even work.
Read that again???? That is of no significance whatsoever. Couldn't Burisma hire Hunter to enable it to clean up a pre-existing mess? Come on, man!

None of the Ukraine-Biden corruption has been debunked. To the contrary, it is the falsehoods from your side that have been continually debunked.
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Old 01-03-2024, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by kdog View Post
I ignored it because you're just beating a long debunked conspiracy drum which most rational people by now know is false. But since you insist on being taken to task, here ya go. This is a sample of fact checks on this claim from legit sources.

"The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations that Joe Biden, while he was vice president of the United States, improperly withheld a loan guarantee to pressure Ukraine into firing prosecutor general Viktor Shokin to prevent a corruption investigation of Ukrainian gas company Burisma and to protect his son, Hunter Biden."
Source: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory"

"Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases"
Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/"

"Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine"
Link: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

"False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son"
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...kraine-bidens/

But here's the real biggie.

"The inherent issue with this isn't whether Mr Biden called for the sacking of the prosecutor — he did, and boasted about it in a public forum in 2018. The problem is, the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed."

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...-2020/12801162

Read that again. "the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed"


Got it? The timing of Trump's claim doesn't even work.


So now the onus is on you to provide CREDIBLE sources saying that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin because he was investigating his son.

You need to supply credible references which prove that he did, not cheap attempts by you to discredit these legit sources. Show us what you got, other than baseless claims by Republican liars.
Dance, bob, and weave a bit more.
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Old 01-03-2024, 08:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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But here's the real biggie.

"The inherent issue with this isn't whether Mr Biden called for the sacking of the prosecutor — he did, and boasted about it in a public forum in 2018. The problem is, the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed."

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...-2020/12801162

Read that again. "the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed"
Um... yeah... that's WHY Burisma hired Hunter: to get the "Big Guy" to pressure Ukraine into getting the prosecutor to BACK OFF of Burisma.

And of course, Joe Biden did EXACTLY that by using $1 billion in US debt guarantees as leverage to force Ukraine to fire the prosecutor going after Burisma.

Quid Pro Quo. Hunter gets a high-paying job for which he's NOT qualified, and Burisma gets the US (via Joe Biden) to force Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating them.

Plain. As. Day.
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Old 01-03-2024, 09:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kdog View Post
I ignored it because you're just beating a long debunked conspiracy drum which most rational people by now know is false. But since you insist on being taken to task, here ya go. This is a sample of fact checks on this claim from legit sources.

"The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations that Joe Biden, while he was vice president of the United States, improperly withheld a loan guarantee to pressure Ukraine into firing prosecutor general Viktor Shokin to prevent a corruption investigation of Ukrainian gas company Burisma and to protect his son, Hunter Biden."
Source: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory"

"Explainer: Biden, allies pushed out Ukrainian prosecutor because he didn't pursue corruption cases"
Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-joe-biden-leveraged-ukraine-aid-oust-corrupt-prosecutor/5991434002/"

"Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine"
Link: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/tr...n-and-ukraine/

"False: Biden pushed out a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son"
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...kraine-bidens/

But here's the real biggie.

"The inherent issue with this isn't whether Mr Biden called for the sacking of the prosecutor — he did, and boasted about it in a public forum in 2018. The problem is, the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed."

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...-2020/12801162

Read that again. "the investigations by the Ukrainian General Prosecutor's Office into Burisma were into a period prior to Hunter Biden being employed"


Got it? The timing of Trump's claim doesn't even work.


So now the onus is on you to provide CREDIBLE sources saying that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin because he was investigating his son.

You need to supply credible references which prove that he did, not cheap attempts by you to discredit these legit sources. Show us what you got, other than baseless claims by Republican liars.
You use all left leaning sources.

'Nuff said!
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Old 01-03-2024, 01:51 PM
 
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Both are old as dirt.

Both are equally awful.

Neither should be the nominee for any party.

The Constitution should be amended to cut the age off at 70 to even be on the ballot for the job, 1st or 2nd term.

If they are the only two choices, America loses for like the umpteenth election in a row.

Robert Reich is a liberal assclown.
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Old 01-03-2024, 05:55 PM
 
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Robert Reich is a liberal assclown.
Just 1/2 of one, actually.
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