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Old 02-12-2024, 12:38 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Define "affordable". Whatever is built is going to command "market rate" for rent else you are going to destroy the housing market.
They are trying to get apartments that rent for under 1/3 of the income of the minimum wage fast food/retail/hospitality workers. In Seattle with the new minimum wage of $19.97/hour, that's $3,195/month. Therefore the rent would have to be less than $1,065/month. Currently in Seattle the average rent more than double that: $2,267 for 688 sf studio, but a search on some of the sites does show some available in the $900-$1,200 range for 161-338 sf studios.

They seem to think that more inexpensive housing will solve the homeless problem, but don't seem to understand that there are people who don't want to live in an apartment, preferring the freedom to do drugs and steal, or are mentally ill and cannot even get a minimum wage job.
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Old 02-12-2024, 12:42 PM
 
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Seattle is proposing an extra 5% tax on 'excess compensation' for employers who have employees that make over 1 million dollars a year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insu...nd/ar-BB1hX6gg

Employers are already paying similar type programs including a 'Jump Start' tax for affordable housing
Now can understand why Jeff Bezos and anyone else with sense is bailing out of Washington state...

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/12/jeff...-in-taxes.html
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Old 02-12-2024, 12:43 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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They are trying to get apartments that rent for under 1/3 of the income of the minimum wage fast food/retail/hospitality workers. In Seattle with the new minimum wage of $19.97/hour, that's $3,195/month. Therefore the rent would have to be less than $1,065/month. Currently in Seattle the average rent more than double that: $2,267 for 688 sf studio, but a search on some of the sites does show some available in the $900-$1,200 range for 161-338 sf studios.

They seem to think that more inexpensive housing will solve the homeless problem, but don't seem to understand that there are people who don't want to live in an apartment, preferring the freedom to do drugs and steal, or are mentally ill and cannot even get a minimum wage job.
And who will pay the cost to build them and the property taxes on the building ?

$900/month won't cut it in today's society.

Seattle has one of the highest property taxes in the nation. They come in at #5
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ng-big-cities/
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Old 02-12-2024, 12:48 PM
 
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Seattle is proposing an extra 5% tax on 'excess compensation' for employers who have employees that make over 1 million dollars a year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insu...nd/ar-BB1hX6gg

Employers are already paying similar type programs including a 'Jump Start' tax for affordable housing
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. "

Margaret Thatcher,
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Old 02-12-2024, 12:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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It’s not the governments responsibility to make sure everyone is housed.
The fundamental problem with all of liberalism, is that people feel it IS government's job to make sure everybody is housed. And employed in a job that provides them a "living wage". And basically prosperous.

These are things impossible for government to do, unless government takes far more away from people.

So what IS government's job?

"... all men are ... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..." -Declaration of Independence


In other words, The job of government is to protect people's rights. And nothing else.

The people who designed our government named several of the rights, and implied there are others. Obviously, you have the right not to get stolen from, defrauded, threatened etc.

Earning enough money to comfortably live, is up to you. Same with getting sufficient housing, food, medical care etc.

Government's job extends only to making sure nobody steals what you have gotten from you, threatens you, injures or kills you, etc., and prosecutes and punishes those who do.

If government tries to give you prosperity, or takes from others to give it to you, govt becomes guilty of what it is supposed to prevent.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:10 PM
 
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In this case, they are stealing from the one who agrees to pay the top salary..the employer.
Employers/businesses typically pass “costs” on to their customers, and an excess compensation tax would be no different.

Sadly, the liberals with heads made of concrete can never seem to grasp this basic elementary fact of life. What ever costs you impose on employers, businesses, “rich people” will always be paid for by the common folks.

This is why everyone suffers economically, when liberals are in charge, and those that suffer most are the lower paid workers who wind up paying for these idiotic liberal ideals.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:11 PM
 
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So the political "solution" is to make Seattle more expensive in return for also making it more unsafe.

Nice.

Why anyone would continue living anywhere that does such things to their citizens is quite literally beyond my comprehension.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:21 PM
 
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So the political "solution" is to make Seattle more expensive in return for also making it more unsafe.

Nice.

Why anyone would continue living anywhere that does such things to their citizens is quite literally beyond my comprehension.
The problem is, you cannot escape stupid, or outrun it. It’s faster than the speed of light.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:25 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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And who will pay the cost to build them and the property taxes on the building ?

$900/month won't cut it in today's society.

Seattle has one of the highest property taxes in the nation. They come in at #5
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ng-big-cities/
Even here in Sammamish WA our house is taxed at $11,000/year. I can't imagine what a big Seattle apartment building has to pay. Actually I can look that up, On the County site. One apartment building on Market street is paying $1,600,000/year property tax.
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Old 02-12-2024, 01:26 PM
 
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The problem is, you cannot escape stupid, or outrun it. It’s faster than the speed of light.
True enough, but you can mitigate the cost and the amount of stupid to some degree, even if you cannot totally zero either.
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