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Old 04-09-2024, 01:44 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Israel’s Account of Attack on Aid Convoy Raises Wider Legal Questions, Experts Say (link, no paywall)

The featured New York Times article basically trashes the IDF for collateral damage that happens in wartime. Excerpts below:
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Originally Posted by New York Times
“In the case of doubt as to a convoy or person’s status, one is to presume civilian status, said Tom Dannenbaum, a professor at the Fletcher School at Tufts University who is an expert on humanitarian law. “And so, attacking in the context of doubt is itself a violation of international humanitarian law.”

Humanitarian aid workers and aid facilities are entitled to heightened protections, because they deliver relief to endangered civilians, said Janina Dill, a co-director of the Oxford Institute for Ethics, Law and Armed Conflict.

“These are civilian vehicles, first and foremost,” she said, referring to the World Central Kitchen convoy.

“They’re also vehicles involved in humanitarian assistance missions, which are specifically protected. The people on these trucks should be presumed to be individuals involved in humanitarian assistance missions, which means they are protected persons.”

Israeli soldiers presumed that some of the World Central Kitchen vehicles were carrying militants, according to the Israeli military’s explanation, even though they had been observed joining an aid convoy, and later departing from a food warehouse.
First of all the presumption of civilian status ignores the fact that terrorist organizations routinely feign civilian status and then hide behind the skirts of women and children. If the IDF observed this doctrine they could never kill Hamas operatives. They don’t wear uniforms. What all of this breathless coverage ignores, as well, is the obligation to pressure Hamas to “stop the war.” This war has been, in any objective sense, started and lost be Hamas. Sadat “stopped the war” in 1977 by journeying to and recognizing Israel, as did Jordan in 1994. Even Kaiser Wilhelm’s Germany similarly “stopped the war” in 1918. The world has no obligation to stop a war so that the loser can continue, with utter futility, to extract a toll on its own soldiers and enemy civilians.

Second, one has to wonder what Jose Andre, World Food Kitchen was thinking or if he had an agenda. Surely, he could have found some other famished part of the world to aid. As it was, when aid is delivered in an active combat zone, one is "dancing in the middle of a three-lane highway."

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Old 04-09-2024, 02:17 PM
 
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Anyone with a rational mind understands that they move weapons etc. via covered under humanitarian supply. This is Israels war to fight, if you're angry about it, you're free to go visit the terrorists and fight for them.
 
Old 04-09-2024, 03:24 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Anyone with a rational mind understands that they move weapons etc. via covered under humanitarian supply. This is Israels war to fight, if you're angry about it, you're free to go visit the terrorists and fight for them.
Hamas' heart isn't bleeding the civilians that it "governs."
 
Old 04-09-2024, 03:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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All this death and privation is 100% on Hamas and the people of Gaza that support them. End of story.
 
Old 04-09-2024, 04:59 PM
 
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All this death and privation is 100% on Hamas and the people of Gaza that support them. End of story.
IDF hit a humanitarian convoy (WCK), at least three separate times. The convoy was spread over 1.5 miles. End of story.
 
Old 04-09-2024, 05:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Palestinians support Hamas
Hamas = terrorists
Therefore, Palestinians = terrorists

I support Israel.
 
Old 04-09-2024, 05:24 PM
 
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IDF hit a humanitarian convoy (WCK), at least three separate times. The convoy was spread over 1.5 miles. End of story.
End of Story...if you get your stories from the Readers Digest Abridged version.

Is it "End of Story" when Hamas sends Missles into Civlilan areas?
Is it "End of Story" when Hamas uses its people in Gaza as Cover?
No one seems to consider the "Legal" issues when Hamas attacks end up killing civilians.

World Kitchens has been in Gaza for over 6 months. They have distributed hundreds of thousands of meals. They have sent supplies to remote regions. If the IDF wanted to get rid of them in an intentional attack. Don't you think that they would have done a lot sooner and earlier and a lot more damage?

In war collateral damage happens, and the ones responsible for the mistake have been held accountable. If Hamas cared about its civilian population and these groups they would do the one thing they need to do. Release the remaining hostages that they are STILL holding.
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