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Old 05-03-2024, 07:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker View Post
We can't find the money for a national healthcare system to help US citizens as an essential service much like we fund the fire fighters or police officers, but we have enough money to:

-Fund Taiwan's defense against China

-Fund Israel's war in Gaza

-Fund Ukraine's war

-Fund Ukrainian pensions and other civil services

-Spent $1.9 Trillion in Iraq, with future expenses estimated to push it to $2.4 Trillion

-Spend as much money on the military as the next 6 countries combined

-Spent $2,260 Billion in Afghanistan

-Spent $83 Billion training the Afghan military that disintegrated

-Left behind $7 Billion in weapons in Afghanistan

-We're building more military bases in Syria

-$245 Billion in TARP to bail out big businesses

-$22 Billion to bail out 2 failed banks in 2023, including bailouts above the FDIC limit so it was helping the rich who didn't follow the rule

-$1.7 Billion a year in maintenance on empty government buildings

-$3 million to study if hamsters on steroids are more aggressive

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/11683...e-fdic-bailout

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...n-and-for-what

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=3126972c41db

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...f_the_Iraq_War


It really comes down to priorities and the health of US citizens isn't a top priority, the above things are deemed more important so they get done.

Shouldn't we demand more of our elected officials to spend some of that money at home here on taking care of our wellbeing?
I don't know. You tell me.


https://www.usdebtclock.org/
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Old 05-03-2024, 10:55 AM
 
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No, you didn't. You posted a link that said the state and fed governments give not-for-profit corps tax breaks. Well, no kidding. The entire point of not-for-profits is that they have little to no profits to tax.

It doesn't just mention tax breaks, it says in a variety of ways including tax breaks.



Federal, state, and local governments provide funding in a variety of ways—including through tax benefits for nonprofit hospitals—to support hospital charity care.
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Old 05-03-2024, 11:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It doesn't just mention tax breaks, it says in a variety of ways including tax breaks.

Federal, state, and local governments provide funding in a variety of ways—including through tax benefits for nonprofit hospitals—to support hospital charity care.
Again, with a non-profit corp/org, there are little to no profits to be taxed. That's the entire point... NON-profit.
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Old 05-03-2024, 11:27 AM
 
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No one has great dental insurance. No idea why. We always have to pay upfront with dentists. Then they submit it to insurance and we get partially reimbursed. Not sure why your employer has any say.
95% of dental insurance is terrible because of congress.
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Old 05-04-2024, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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I don't know. You tell me.


https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Our politicians are fine with $35 Trillion in debt funding never ending wars, military bases all over, empty buildings, and multiple studies on things like if hamsters are more aggressive on steroids.

They aren't fine with spending that money on making sure we all have good access to healthcare.
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Old 05-04-2024, 06:08 AM
 
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Our politicians are fine with $35 Trillion in debt funding never ending wars, military bases all over, empty buildings, and multiple studies on things like if hamsters are more aggressive on steroids.

They aren't fine with spending that money on making sure we all have good access to healthcare.
I really think the politics is more of a reason than the money. It would never fly here politically, just look at some of the responses on the thread, or any of the threads on Canada and how posters deride their health care system, and you can see that.
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Old 05-04-2024, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I really think the politics is more of a reason than the money. It would never fly here politically, just look at some of the responses on the thread, or any of the threads on Canada and how posters deride their health care system, and you can see that.
I just don’t get why this is such a complicated issue. I never hear anybody ever complain when they turn 65 and have to go on Medicare, in fact most people can’t wait until they are Medicare eligible. If a system that cares for our most vulnerable segment of the population works, it can certainly work to provide healthcare for our lesser vulnerable segments of population. There’s plenty of money already generated, it just has to be redirected in the form of taxes, and the bonus is it kills an entire insurance industry, sans some supplemental policies market like we currently have.l for Medicare.
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Old 05-04-2024, 01:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I just don’t get why this is such a complicated issue. I never hear anybody ever complain when they turn 65 and have to go on Medicare, in fact most people can’t wait until they are Medicare eligible. If a system that cares for our most vulnerable segment of the population works, it can certainly work to provide healthcare for our lesser vulnerable segments of population. There’s plenty of money already generated, it just has to be redirected in the form of taxes, and the bonus is it kills an entire insurance industry, sans some supplemental policies market like we currently have.l for Medicare.
Medicare isn't free. You have to pay monthly premiums, deductibles, and prescription drugs aren't covered.
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Old 05-04-2024, 02:37 PM
 
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I just don’t get why this is such a complicated issue. I never hear anybody ever complain when they turn 65 and have to go on Medicare, in fact most people can’t wait until they are Medicare eligible. If a system that cares for our most vulnerable segment of the population works, it can certainly work to provide healthcare for our lesser vulnerable segments of population. There’s plenty of money already generated, it just has to be redirected in the form of taxes, and the bonus is it kills an entire insurance industry, sans some supplemental policies market like we currently have.l for Medicare.
What would you do about the GDP loss when the several million high paying insurance jobs vanish?


It's ironic in the extreme that people who lean left cry and complain that we don't have enough high paying jobs and in the next breath you guys want to erase millions of high paying jobs.
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Old 05-04-2024, 04:30 PM
 
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What would you do about the GDP loss when the several million high paying insurance jobs vanish?


It's ironic in the extreme that people who lean left cry and complain that we don't have enough high paying jobs and in the next breath you guys want to erase millions of high paying jobs.
Those jobs don't pay that well, and there would be something else to replace them. The insurance jobs add zero value to the economy, instead, they serve as a means for the insurance companies to rent seek as middlemen.
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