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Old 04-29-2024, 09:16 AM
 
Location: NJ
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America last!

Government leeches and legislators have a bigger pool to self enrich the more places taxpayer cash is spent.

nice idea, national healthcare, the death knell is the incompetent, ignorant, unqualified, short sighted, accepted fraud
managed by entrenched, government bureaucracy immune to oversight and protected politically.

Medicine is an art and a science, the government destroys the relationship between a doctor and patient.
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker View Post
We can't find the money for a national healthcare system to help US citizens as an essential service much like we fund the fire fighters or police officers, but we have enough money to:

-Fund Taiwan's defense against China

-Fund Israel's war in Gaza

-Fund Ukraine's war

-Fund Ukrainian pensions and other civil services

-Spent $1.9 Trillion in Iraq, with future expenses estimated to push it to $2.4 Trillion

-Spend as much money on the military as the next 6 countries combined

-Spent $2,260 Billion in Afghanistan

-Spent $83 Billion training the Afghan military that disintegrated

-Left behind $7 Billion in weapons in Afghanistan

-We're building more military bases in Syria

-$245 Billion in TARP to bail out big businesses

-$22 Billion to bail out 2 failed banks in 2023, including bailouts above the FDIC limit so it was helping the rich who didn't follow the rule

-$1.7 Billion a year in maintenance on empty government buildings

-$3 million to study if hamsters on steroids are more aggressive

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/11683...e-fdic-bailout

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...n-and-for-what

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=3126972c41db

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...f_the_Iraq_War


It really comes down to priorities and the health of US citizens isn't a top priority, the above things are deemed more important so they get done.

Shouldn't we demand more of our elected officials to spend some of that money at home here on taking care of our wellbeing?

National defense is a Constitutionally mandated responsibility of the Federal government. Most of your list falls into that category. The only things on your list that are Constitutionally questionable are the bailouts and the hamster study. Health care is not covered by the Constitution and should not be subsidized or mandated by the Federal government.
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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Wow, it took 24 posts until the knee-jerk refrain: greed, military industrial complex.

I would have thought it would show in one of the single digit posts.

I lost a bet on this.
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:32 AM
 
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EXACTLY. The government doesn't have ANY MONEY. They TAKE OUR MONEY and redistribute it, at a 30% loss.

The OP's premise is faulty if he thinks the government should pay for our healthcare, (as well as most of the other things on his list)!
The Federal Gov't can have money aside from our taxes, courtesy of our Central Bank. Part of the reason that Medicare has been successful. Medicare is paid for by a combination of taxes, premiums and copays, and Federal deficit spending.
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Old 04-29-2024, 09:34 AM
 
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Medicine is an art and a science, the government destroys the relationship between a doctor and patient.
It has been a problem here and there. Same as with private insurance payers.
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Old 04-29-2024, 11:08 AM
 
51,011 posts, read 36,695,193 times
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker View Post
We can't find the money for a national healthcare system to help US citizens as an essential service much like we fund the fire fighters or police officers, but we have enough money to:

-Fund Taiwan's defense against China

-Fund Israel's war in Gaza

-Fund Ukraine's war

-Fund Ukrainian pensions and other civil services

-Spent $1.9 Trillion in Iraq, with future expenses estimated to push it to $2.4 Trillion

-Spend as much money on the military as the next 6 countries combined

-Spent $2,260 Billion in Afghanistan

-Spent $83 Billion training the Afghan military that disintegrated

-Left behind $7 Billion in weapons in Afghanistan

-We're building more military bases in Syria

-$245 Billion in TARP to bail out big businesses

-$22 Billion to bail out 2 failed banks in 2023, including bailouts above the FDIC limit so it was helping the rich who didn't follow the rule

-$1.7 Billion a year in maintenance on empty government buildings

-$3 million to study if hamsters on steroids are more aggressive

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/11683...e-fdic-bailout

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...n-and-for-what

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=3126972c41db

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...f_the_Iraq_War


It really comes down to priorities and the health of US citizens isn't a top priority, the above things are deemed more important so they get done.

Shouldn't we demand more of our elected officials to spend some of that money at home here on taking care of our wellbeing?

Not sure why you think money is the only thing standing in the way. Politics is a bigger reason. Look at the fits people had just with Obama care. Media was using socialized medicine as a boogie man, as in "This will lead to socialized medicine, we have to stop it!". Universal health care will not go down easily with half the country and I can't imagine it ever passing Congress or the Senate, regardless of where the money came from.
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Old 04-29-2024, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Medicare or single payer are not feasible at the state level because states cannot create money as at the Federal level.
Not sure how that makes any sense? Where are the feds getting money that is any different than the states?
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Old 04-29-2024, 11:30 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The government has enough money for other countries but none for us.
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Old 04-29-2024, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Boston
20,192 posts, read 9,092,439 times
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Originally Posted by QuakerBaker View Post
We can't find the money for a national healthcare system to help US citizens as an essential service much like we fund the fire fighters or police officers, but we have enough money to:

-Fund Taiwan's defense against China

-Fund Israel's war in Gaza

-Fund Ukraine's war

-Fund Ukrainian pensions and other civil services

-Spent $1.9 Trillion in Iraq, with future expenses estimated to push it to $2.4 Trillion

-Spend as much money on the military as the next 6 countries combined

-Spent $2,260 Billion in Afghanistan

-Spent $83 Billion training the Afghan military that disintegrated

-Left behind $7 Billion in weapons in Afghanistan

-We're building more military bases in Syria

-$245 Billion in TARP to bail out big businesses

-$22 Billion to bail out 2 failed banks in 2023, including bailouts above the FDIC limit so it was helping the rich who didn't follow the rule

-$1.7 Billion a year in maintenance on empty government buildings

-$3 million to study if hamsters on steroids are more aggressive

https://www.rd.com/list/wasteful-gov...ding-examples/

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/13/11683...e-fdic-bailout

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/20...n-and-for-what

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand...h=3126972c41db

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...f_the_Iraq_War


It really comes down to priorities and the health of US citizens isn't a top priority, the above things are deemed more important so they get done.

Shouldn't we demand more of our elected officials to spend some of that money at home here on taking care of our wellbeing?
funding wars helps keep the economy rolling along and the unemployment rate low. Americans generally go along with these proxy wars more so than agreeing on social issues-at least for a while. So it's a win-win to keep them going.
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Old 04-29-2024, 11:38 AM
 
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Wow, it took 24 posts until the knee-jerk refrain: greed, military industrial complex.

I would have thought it would show in one of the single digit posts.

I lost a bet on this.
Darn, that pesky Constitution!
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