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I mentioned this before but when I living overseas, I worked as an adjunct professor and taught ESL. One semester I decided on the book "Black Like Me" for my students to read. I read the book decades earlier and it's an easy read. I thought the story might be interesting for non-Americans.
Now, I would never suggest AA were better off at the time "Black Like Me" was published (1961) and the author makes it clear Jim Crow was alive and well in the Southern areas he visited.
But what stuck out as I reread the book was the Black communities the author passed through were reasonably healthy despite the segregation.
There was none of the insanity we see today in parts of Oakland, Baltimore, Chicago ect.
Just speaking off-the-cuff here, I'm no expert. But, I'm guessing that it was segregation that kept these communities "reasonably healthy". All tiers of black society were forced to live together and make it work. When segregation was eventually ended, some of the black community left for what they might have thought were greener pastures. Even if the numbers were small to begin with, it could have upset the balance in these "reasonably healthy" black communities, starting a cascading effect, eventually leaving only the poorest (who couldn't afford to leave) behind.
I'm just answering your question, as I see it. I am absolutely NOT suggesting that segregation was a good thing. Today, wealth/class flight will still kill a community in the same way, just as much as white flight did in the past.
Just speaking off-the-cuff here, I'm no expert. But, I'm guessing that it was segregation that kept these communities "reasonably healthy". All tiers of black society were forced to live together and make it work. When segregation was eventually ended, some of the black community left for what they might have thought were greener pastures. Even if the numbers were small to begin with, it could have upset the balance in these "reasonably healthy" black communities, starting a cascading effect, eventually leaving only the poorest (who couldn't afford to leave) behind.
I'm just answering your question, as I see it. I am absolutely NOT suggesting that segregation was a good thing. Today, wealth/class flight will still kill a community in the same way, just as much as white flight did in the past.
If I remember correct almost everyone the author spoke with worked or ran a business. Families were mother/father and the children. In other words, these Black communities were "reasonably healthy " despite the fact Jim Crow was alive and well.
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White folks don’t need to win a court battle to separate themselves from the poor folk. It happens organically. I live in Seattle which is one of the most liberal cities on the planet. Folks in my neighborhood sport BLM and equality signs in their home windows all day long. They are champions for equality among other liberal posturing.
However…you rarely see these rich leftists hanging around or entering the rougher neighborhoods. Doesn’t happen! Nope..they hop in their Prius’ or Subarus and make a bee line to PCC or Whole Foods to shop with their other uptight blue haired friends in the safety and convenience of the wealthy parts of Seattle.
It’s called NIMBY. They LOVE equality and diversity but not in their neighborhood! In short, they don’t put their money where their mouths are. They are fake!
No one said anything about allowing students to disrupt classes. You're the one who brought that up out of nowhere, so I'm not sure why you're getting so easily confused.
The point is that if an area already has lots of problems and it is neglected even worse than it already is, the crime and poverty will just spiral out of control even more. And you can bet that more money will be spent, but on prisons instead of on resources that will at least help a good chunk of young people (those who you say "want to make something of themselves") who wouldn't have those resources otherwise. Just allowing the situation to get worse isn't a solution at all.
Not every child grows up with a silver spoon in their mouth and just because they don't doesn't mean they aren't worth investing in or that they are all "criminals".
Again though, throwing more money at the problem-doesn't fix it. We have tried that across the country. DC has some of the worst outcomes of any school system(s) in the nation-yet the highest per-student spending. I've read that other large cities have similar issues, especially in very well funded "minority" districts. Taking more and more from the taxpayer and giving it to the government, without changing how those schools are operated, isn't going to fix anything. They say doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. That is especially appropriate in this case.
White folks don’t need to win a court battle to separate themselves from the poor folk. It happens organically. I live in Seattle which is one of the most liberal cities on the planet. Folks in my neighborhood sport BLM and equality signs in their home windows all day long. They are champions for equality among other liberal posturing.
However…you rarely see these rich leftists hanging around or entering the rougher neighborhoods. Doesn’t happen! Nope..they hop in their Prius’ or Subarus and make a bee line to PCC or Whole Foods to shop with their other uptight blue haired friends in the safety and convenience of the wealthy parts of Seattle.
It’s called NIMBY. They LOVE equality and diversity but not in their neighborhood! In short, they don’t put their money where their mouths are. They are fake!
Is it only "white liberals" doing this, or is it wealthier, more successful people of all races? I've never lived in a metro area the size of Seattle, but in smaller towns I have lived in, "segregation" tends be divided much more among income class than race. Successful, wealthier people tend to live together regardless of race. There aren't "rich white" and "rich black" neighborhoods, just "rich" neighborhoods. Same with "middle class" neighborhoods, not necessarily rich. Just people living normal, productive lives, working for a living. What segregation I've seen seems to be in the loser neighborhoods, where there is a large concentration of non-working people, especially with drug and alcohol abuse problems. The most obvious divides seem to be there-as well as the "blame someone else" mentality.
But again, that's smaller towns that don't have the population base for both successful white and successful black neighborhoods. Larger cities, especially left-leaning cities, may well be more divided. I not only have never lived in a very large metro, but never in a far-left one so have no basis for comparision.
Successful, wealthier people tend to live together regardless of race. There aren't "rich white" and "rich black" neighborhoods, just "rich" neighborhoods.
People don't like it when rich neighborhoods are disproportionately of certain races.
And poor neighborhoods are disproportionately of certain other races.
White folks don’t need to win a court battle to separate themselves from the poor folk. It happens organically. I live in Seattle which is one of the most liberal cities on the planet. Folks in my neighborhood sport BLM and equality signs in their home windows all day long. They are champions for equality among other liberal posturing.
However…you rarely see these rich leftists hanging around or entering the rougher neighborhoods. Doesn’t happen! Nope..they hop in their Prius’ or Subarus and make a bee line to PCC or Whole Foods to shop with their other uptight blue haired friends in the safety and convenience of the wealthy parts of Seattle.
It’s called NIMBY. They LOVE equality and diversity but not in their neighborhood! In short, they don’t put their money where their mouths are. They are fake!
Welfare culture is the only culprit. It is the only constant in the history of black Americans that rewards out of wedlock birth. No one is born being a bad parent, it is something you learn through a financial incentive and way of life.
I think IQ plays a big part but not necessarily along racial lines. Most people are born equal in intelligence but if someone has zero interest in reading, going to school, bettering themselves etc. their IQ will be lower no matter what the race. Couple that with endless welfare with few restrictions, food stamps, free housing, free this and free that and here we are. It's like we're rewarding generational stupidity.
White folks don’t need to win a court battle to separate themselves from the poor folk. It happens organically. I live in Seattle which is one of the most liberal cities on the planet. Folks in my neighborhood sport BLM and equality signs in their home windows all day long. They are champions for equality among other liberal posturing.
However…you rarely see these rich leftists hanging around or entering the rougher neighborhoods. Doesn’t happen! Nope..they hop in their Prius’ or Subarus and make a bee line to PCC or Whole Foods to shop with their other uptight blue haired friends in the safety and convenience of the wealthy parts of Seattle.
It’s called NIMBY. They LOVE equality and diversity but not in their neighborhood! In short, they don’t put their money where their mouths are. They are fake!
Why would anyone hang out in a bad neighborhood? The folks that live in bad neighborhoods dont even want to be there.
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