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Old 05-05-2024, 10:26 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The Central Valley is not nowhere.
I never said it is. But Phase One is nowhere to nowhere as far as commuters are concerned and it won't be completed for 10 years at the earliest.

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All these fruit trees can disappear in a moment and give way for new developments.

If you can work remotely, why wouldn't you stay in the Central Valley instead of San Francisco, especially, if transportation options would be excellent?
For one thing, the segments from the valley to the peninsula are unlikely to be high-speed. Maybe faster than BART, but the terrain is not conducive to high-speed rail.

If you need to commute into San Francisco from Fresno, it would be better to just fly. I suspect high-speed rail tickets will not be cheap and flying takes about an hour.

Anyway, you got me all wrong. I'm seriously looking at retiring in Rocklin or Roseville. I don't hate the valley.
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Old 05-05-2024, 10:28 PM
 
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I guess we could sell off land to say, Canada.? Besides Russia or China no other Nations are this big.

I just quit... good night.
What are you even talking about. What does selling land have to do with this?
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Old 05-05-2024, 10:35 PM
 
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So we pay billions so you can work remotely? Is that the theme here? You know your work is gonna make you choose and even then once in a while. May as well buy a piper cub for those occasional trips to work.
This thing is called connectivity. When you build a road (a rail road too), it will be used by people for centuries.
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Old 05-05-2024, 10:41 PM
 
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If you need to commute into San Francisco from Fresno, it would be better to just fly. I suspect high-speed rail tickets will not be cheap and flying takes about an hour.
California can easily add a pollution surcharge to plane tickets.
$200 one way, for example.

It won't affect international flights much, but LA -> SF can be more expensive.
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Old 05-05-2024, 10:58 PM
 
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California can easily add a pollution surcharge to plane tickets.
$200 one way, for example.

It won't affect international flights much, but LA -> SF can be more expensive.
So, you're saying the state will penalize air travel to the point people have no choice but to take high-speed rail? I don't see that happening. I don't see the ban on ice vehicles happening either. Newsom will be gone and when the public gets a real taste of ice they will revolt one way or another (even if revolting means leaving and taking their taxes with them.)
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Old 05-05-2024, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Carmichael, CA
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Sadly, this has nothing to do with the high-speed rail.

Hidden somewhere in the California govt. homepage is a list of contracts signed regarding this project--I found it once, took forever.

An amazing number of the contracts weren't for building the rail, or for supplies, but for "consultants." How many hundreds of consultants does it take? There were rumors for awhile that Mr. Pelosi got one of the contracts, but if it was under some business name, it would have been impossible to find.

At the end of the day, all the billions are gone, the elite are richer, and we'll probably just keep footing the bill.
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Old 05-05-2024, 11:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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So, you're saying the state will penalize air travel to the point people have no choice but to take high-speed rail? I don't see that happening.
You’re right Newsom will be gone, but if he weren’t, I could see penalizing air travel in favor of high-speed rail right up his alley.
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Old 05-05-2024, 11:42 PM
 
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You’re right Newsom will be gone, but if he weren’t, I could see penalizing air travel in favor of high-speed rail right up his alley.
Newsom may want to penalize air travelers, but it would be political suicide to do it.
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Old 05-06-2024, 01:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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This thing is called connectivity. When you build a road (a rail road too), it will be used by people for centuries.
For a few paid for by all for a very, very long time. A great condition used by Egyptian kings. You can all worship the pyramids they built still today.
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Old 05-06-2024, 02:14 AM
 
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Newsom may want to penalize air travelers, but it would be political suicide to do it.
If electric blimps appear, people in big California cities will definitely approve banning of noisy and dirty jet airplanes.


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