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Old 05-08-2024, 10:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
Is there anyone here, who actually believes this story?

Good god.

For those who are actually interested, here's the story. It points to a little inattention to detail, not outright fraud and entrapment.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...ments-00156124
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Originally Posted by AZLiam View Post
^^^
Nothing to see here.

SMH.
People get paid to post that stuff. You should know that by now.

 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:26 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by austinaggie View Post
Spot on!

No use arguing with people who will never understand. It’s a waste of time. Let them live in their La La Land. It only matters that Judge Cannon understands what a monumental problem this is. That is why she VACATED the trial date and has not set a new one. Jack Smith has a lot of ‘splaining to do.
I seriously hope Cannon has good security.
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Non-classified documents can just as easily be slipped into a "classified" folder for a corrupt FBI/DOJ photo op.
Adding to this, documents are declassified all the time, and the FBI do not keep track of which documents have maintained the same classifications, or if they have been downgraded.

I cannot stress this enough, the FBI agents are not allowed to determine relevance or classifications of evidence they seize during a raid.

The people executing a raid are just dumb errand boys who collect whatever the court order says they are to collect. They do not make determinations on site, they just bring back the evidence collected, and the people authorized to analyze evidence are the only ones making determinations, not the the step and fetch FBI goons.
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:28 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Adding to this, documents are declassified all the time, and the FBI do not keep track of which documents have maintained the same classifications, or if they have been downgraded.

I cannot stress this enough, the FBI agents are not allowed to determine relevance or classifications of evidence they seize during a raid.

The people executing a raid are just dumb errand boys who collect whatever the court order says they are to collect. They do not make determinations on site, they just bring back the evidence collected, and the people authorized to analyze evidence are the only ones making determinations, the the step and fetch FBI goons.
Exactly. They had NO authority whatsoever to place "classified" folders on any documents.
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No- but I’ve seen things we don’t show to the American public and they will maybe put something else there. Like a really mutilated body. They will show a cleaned up version to the public. Some blurred stuff or sheets - etc. In this case, nothing that could be public will be photographed for us to see. But the Evidence Specialist knows what he has collected, logged and documented -and that will go to court. Both the prosecutors and defense have privy to that. Yet some think it’s all bogus - well, their right to believe what they want.
Wrong. The low level FBI on these raids do not decide that white powder is cocaine, or that document is top secret, and then label them as cocaine and TS. They just collect the evidence the judge ordered them to collect, and they keep their opinions and assumptions to themselves. Those FBI agents were not authorized to determine classification levels of the evidence they collected. They aren't even supposed to sift thru any of it, much less read any of it. They just collect those boxes, cuz the order from the judge says "collect boxes."

"Yeah, but I hates Trump. So I'm gonna assume some of the documents are still TS, then toss a few of them on the floor and spread around cover sheets, for photos to be released to the public. I needs to shape public opinion and help toss Trump in prison, or at least stop him from getting reelected."
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:33 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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No-
There you go, they don't normally falsify evidence to show to the public.

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but I’ve seen things we don’t show to the American public and they will maybe put something else there. Like a really mutilated body. They will show a cleaned up version to the public. Some blurred stuff or sheets - etc. In this case, nothing that could be public will be photographed for us to see. But the Evidence Specialist knows what he has collected, logged and documented -and that will go to court. Both the prosecutors and defense have privy to that. Yet some think it’s all bogus - well, their right to believe what they want.
If only one person is killed, do they make it seem like there's more than one body? They bring extra bodies along and cover them in sheets too for the photograph?
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:39 AM
 
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I seriously hope Cannon has good security.

Seriously and all because she is actually carrying out her judicial duties the way she is supposed. Not like the other bozo judges that are just partisan hacks. Possibly excluding the Georgia trial judge. He’s a bit wishy washy sometimes but nowhere near as bad as the other two.
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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There you go, they don't normally falsify evidence to show to the public.



If only one person is killed, do they make it seem like there's more than one body? They bring extra bodies along and cover them in sheets too for the photograph?
Even if they aren't dead, you can still ask those people to close their eyes and fake like they are dead, for the photos. Maybe call in a make-up artist to powder their faces to look like they are a pale corpse. Maybe a bit of blue to look like rigga has set in. Then slap a toe tag on them. you know, for the photos.

The FBI are only supposed to collect the boxes, not guess what they are. Just like they cannot make assumptions about a dead body or how the person died, much less assume the suspect killed them. The coroner decides cause of death, and originating authorities decide whether a document is classified, not low level FBI goons.

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Old 05-08-2024, 10:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by austinaggie View Post
Spot on!

No use arguing with people who will never understand. It’s a waste of time. Let them live in their La La Land. It only matters that Judge Cannon understands what a monumental problem this is. That is why she VACATED the trial date and has not set a new one. Jack Smith has a lot of ‘splaining to do.
The court and prosecutors are just regrouping. It’s a “wait, what?” moment. But I think their pause is totally unnecessary, given the now well established fact that a significant portion of the public are dumber than a box of donuts, while at the same time proving the American judiciary has now proven to be a complete farce.

Let’s take an inventory of this endless series of nonsense which has consumed America for the last 3+ years.

1) the financial fraud that wasn’t, and an order to pay 1/2 Billion dollars in damages for defrauding banks who admit they made lots of money and were not defrauded! A case brought against Trump by another hood rat DA in New York who vowed to get Trump, if elected DA.

2)Trump found guilty and ordered to pay a huge sum of money to a woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted by Trump, even though she admits that she can’t actually recall when or where this alleged assault took place? ???? Slipped her mind? Details, details.

3) we have a washed up, former Prostitute/Porn Actress named “Stormy” who openly admits to engaging in criminal extortion of Trump, and receiving hush money to keep quiet. And extortion is a criminal act, while paying an extortionist isn’t a crime, but the extortion victim is prosecuted, while the extortionist isn’t? And the “cherry on top”? An actual document, signed by the extortionist herself, stating she and Trump had no physical relationship.

4) we have the massive corruption exposed for all to see with that Clownish Crook in Georgia, the hood rat “District Attorney” Fanni Willis, who perjured herself under oath, while also admitting to misappropriating her campaign finance funds to repay her “boyfriend” she had been gallivanting around the world with on lavish vacations, using huge sums of money he was being paid by tax payers, because Willis hired him as the lead prosecutor on the Trump case. They all lied and perjured themselves in court, yet nothing happens to them, as the phony case against Trump moves forward, as decided by the Judge who actually contributed money to the hood rat DA’s campaign, some of which she obviously found quite useful in the Bahamas, Cancun, or wherever else her and lover boy spent the money.

I could go on and on …. but the point would be pointless. This entire thing has me now wondering if Trump himself isn’t in on the whole thing, like a Ringling Brothers “Greatest Show on Earth” circus show distraction to keep a dumbed down public entertained, as the crooks extract the last remaining resources form the system, before it collapses.

Wouldn’t that be the kicker? To find out later that Trump was an actor, and just part of the entire “show”? At this point, nothing would surprise me.
 
Old 05-08-2024, 10:56 AM
 
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This may go over your head, but from your article...

Smith’s team revealed in the filing that FBI agents carried printed “classified cover sheets” during the Aug. 8, 2022, search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate and used them to replace any classified documents they discovered in cardboard Bankers Boxes that littered the former president’s residence.


Those are the sheets that were likely in the photograph that the OP posted.

So when that photo is put out for public consumption, they see TOP SECRET and immediately believe Trump stole those documents - when in reality, the FBI put those printed sheets in the boxes.
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I read that. They printed cover sheet "placeholders" to replace actual classified documents they discovered at Mar a lago.

What's the problem?
Yep - right over your head.
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