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People can move to another state if they want. Maybe they could in the future arrange something to be annexed or create a new state, not sure.
A vocal segment would instead like to have a new country, completely separate from the U.S. and be able to create their own society, their own rules, laws, etc., and not be part of the U.S. or any other country. There might be possibilities with unexplored or not already-owned islands out there in the world, somewhere. It wouldn't be a secession of an existing state...it would involve moving to a different geography that is not part of the U.S. and start from scratch. Then there's no need to worry about burning down the U.S, since people can have their own country, their own leaders, and not be ruled by any other territory.
It's a slippery slope but something should be done. I think a State (not Federal) Electoral College type system should be used when electing State representation. Take Illinois for example-the Chicago area has so many state House and Senate districts that nothing will be passed or not passed without their consent. Basically, anyone living outside the Chicago metro area has very little (if any) meaningful representation.
The disconnect between urban and non-urban areas is huge and with more and more wacky legislation being created by the urban area representatives it's just going to get worse.
It's a slippery slope but something should be done. I think a State (not Federal) Electoral College type system should be used when electing State representation. Take Illinois for example-the Chicago area has so many state House and Senate districts that nothing will be passed or not passed without their consent. Basically, anyone living outside the Chicago metro area has very little (if any) meaningful representation.
The disconnect between urban and non-urban areas is huge and with more and more wacky legislation being created by the urban area representatives it's just going to get worse.
I believe that any state is free to establish such a system if they want to.
I think after a while they'd have a hard time fitting all those stars on the flag.
Tbh we should really be a UUSA at this point. 200k people can't be represented by a single person. It's not possible. The sheer representative to population ratio of this country guarantees no one is represented. Guarantees.
Tbh we should really be a UUSA at this point. 200k people can't be represented by a single person. It's not possible. The sheer representative to population ratio of this country guarantees no one is represented. Guarantees.
Agreed.
Some sort of confederation on defense and perhaps foreign trade. Completely different social laws. Movement between the borders.
I support this, but it should require more than a simple majority vote. The requirement should be at least 75%. Also should be on the ballot more than just one time so that people will have time to think it over and not make rash decisions. For example, it could be required that it be put on the ballot for three years in a row and that each time it must pass by 75%.
Some sort of confederation on defense and perhaps foreign trade. Completely different social laws. Movement between the borders.
The minority in each state feels run over.
Yes, and I have probably read dozens of posts from people saying that is why they don't even bother to vote in national elections -- and that is why I think the electoral votes should be divided in each state according to the percentage each presidential candidate receives.
In the US, there has been a growing divide between rural and urban regions, and the political ideology and power that each wields.
For the most part, there are HUNDREDS of red counties in blue states, which are essentially held captive politically and economically, by the will of a remote electorate which dominates the laws and agendas of a state. In the past, we have never had such a marked disparity in political views within states, which has essentially disenfranchised the will of those living in rural areas.
As our nation becomes more and more divided, we must seek peaceful remedies which can solve the problems we face. Allowing counties, with borders shared with a different state, to be "admitted" to that state would allow citizens which are currently NOT represented by their state due to perpetual control by another political party. As this has perpetuated, we have policies, laws, and taxes passed in state governments which are diametrically opposed to the values and ideologies of many who live in more rural areas. It is, in effect, tyranny of urban environments over rural, and results in government policies which are alien to the beliefs and values of those in rural areas.
Of course, the "state boundries", as they accumulate (or lose) counties which are opposed to the predominant political views of that state, would allow counties adjacent to the newly departed counties to do the same. As a result, we could have a marked "equilibration" of sentiments within the nation with state laws and policies more accurately representing the needs and beliefs of the citizens of the US. Likewise, we would see urban areas in counties bordering blue states, choose to leave the red state for the blue. An example would be Gary/Hammond, Michigan City, and South Bend leaving Indiana to join MI or IL. Likewise, rural counties in Illinois would choose to join red states, such as Iowa, Indiana, Missouri, or Kentucky.
There has been movements of whole regions in the west (northern CA, eastern CA, eastern OR, eastern WA) to leave their respective states, as they are agricultural areas, but the entire state is ruled by a few (yet populous) urban areas in which they share no common goals or values.
In order to avoid a "rush to the exits", there would need to be votes allowed only every four years (between presidential cycles, that would permit a sufficient period of time to consider such measures, recalibrate state budgets, and move any existing "old" state offices.
IF we are to survive as a single nation going forward, we must try to find solutions in which citizens feel adequately represented by government officials and not held captive by virtue of a remote, yet more populous, componant of the state in which one lives.
While I can certainly understand the desire for finding a solution to this real problem, I really can’t imagine how anyone could erroneously confuse the federal government with being a reliable partner in the fight against Marist tyranny. Thats point one, rendering all of the many other unintended but very predictable consequences, moot points.
What the hell are you thinking? Hmmm? Seriously … talk about putting the fox in charge of guarding the chicken coop!
I don’t think you really thought this through … because I hardly got halfway through reading your post before the many problems came flooding in.
It's a slippery slope but something should be done. I think a State (not Federal) Electoral College type system should be used when electing State representation. Take Illinois for example-the Chicago area has so many state House and Senate districts that nothing will be passed or not passed without their consent. Basically, anyone living outside the Chicago metro area has very little (if any) meaningful representation.
The disconnect between urban and non-urban areas is huge and with more and more wacky legislation being created by the urban area representatives it's just going to get worse.
This is the root of the problem in EVERY State. The metro areas, who are far, far Left control the entire State and subject them to their craziness. You cannot escape it.
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