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Old Yesterday, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Originally Posted by Thulsa View Post
Because you asked, here's the indictment.
https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/u...Indictment.pdf
And here's the case the the DA is attempting to prove:
https://manhattanda.org/district-att...onald-j-trump/


It's 34 of these:
"THIRTY-FOURTH COUNT:
AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the
defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE,
in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017,
with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J.
Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006,
and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization."


The 34 counts are each an instance of falsifying business records. There's an entry for check 003006 that says what the check is for.
The what-it's-for matters because (as an example) expenses (such as electric bill for office) can be deducted from the gross income of the organization come tax time, but generally personal expenses like getting a new watch cannot.
So if that check 003006 went to buy a new watch but was listed in the books as electric bill, that's falsifying business records. The DA's job would be proving that money went for a new watch and not electricity.

So that's what has happened so far in the trial - the DA is attempting to trace the flow of money from the Trump organization to various entities that received the money, and he is attempting to show that the business records for that money transfer were falsified, and the DA is attempting to show that it was done with Trump's knowlege and approval.

It's only seems complicated because it appears that every single person involved is a known liar.
“Trace the flow?” “Various entities that received the money”? lol

New watch? Electric bill? Wtf? Lmao

You have zero idea of what is going on with this case. Zero. Zip. Nada.

 
Old Yesterday, 05:22 PM
 
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All these effort to get Trump eventually makes Trump more and more like a saint. He is the most scrutinized person in America and yet they can't find a single crime, and that is now known to everyone, friend and foes alike.
 
Old Yesterday, 05:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Thulsa View Post
The what-it's-for matters because (as an example) expenses (such as electric bill for office) can be deducted from the gross income of the organization come tax time, but generally personal expenses like getting a new watch cannot.
The problem is that the prosecution has no evidence that Trump intended to cheat on his taxes in that way.
 
Old Yesterday, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by snowmountains View Post
All these effort to get Trump eventually makes Trump more and more like a saint. He is the most scrutinized person in America and yet they can't find a single crime, and that is now known to everyone, friend and foes alike.
No kidding!

The entire weight of the deep state machine was turned against Trump in 2016-today.

The deep state spied on Trump, his campaign, everyone in his orbit was spied on.

He was impeached by the Democrats in Congress, twice.

And with all of that, and all of these hundred or so indictments, they cannot find one crime Trump ever committed, not one.

The guy is a freaking Boy Scout.

Trump is more squeaky clean than any politician in the recorded history of the world.
 
Old Yesterday, 05:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Annandale_Man View Post
The only criminal is Micheal Cohen. He is a proven liar and he did all this on his own hoping to get chosed by Trump to go to Washington, but it didn't happen so now he wants payback.
I keep thinking he is using Trump as a scapegoat because he got questioned about his finances. Cohen, I suspect, panicked. So knowing they want something on Trump he decided to make Trump the scapegoat to get them off his back as much as possible.

Is there proof that Cohen took money out of his own private account? Or did he put cash into his account first then withdraw the funds he put in with cash and us it to pay the gold-digger? Or was it just a hell of a lot of money for legal fees that the DOC used to question Cohen in the first place.

I don't give a rats tail if either one of them had sex with the gold digger but the blackmail she may have committed I do care about.

I can't figure and don't put it past Cohen to have had sex with her and went to Trump to help him out so the wife would find out. Mainly because of where that money came from and Trump would make it legal fees to help cover up what Cohen did with the Golddiggers prostitute. I just can't see Trump worrying about anyone caring if he had sex with her before being President. I thought the trial was about more than just being accused of paying of a prostitute regardless of who had sex with her. Didn't they have a multitude of charges? I must have missed a lot. This hush money is being way bent out of proportion.

Glad I'm not on that Jury I could never make a judgement but an opinion that I could do.
 
Old Yesterday, 05:54 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thulsa View Post
Because you asked, here's the indictment.
https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/u...Indictment.pdf
And here's the case the the DA is attempting to prove:
https://manhattanda.org/district-att...onald-j-trump/


It's 34 of these:
"THIRTY-FOURTH COUNT:
AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the
defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE,
in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017,
with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission

thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J.
Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006,
and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization."


The 34 counts are each an instance of falsifying business records. There's an entry for check 003006 that says what the check is for.
The what-it's-for matters because (as an example) expenses (such as electric bill for office) can be deducted from the gross income of the organization come tax time, but generally personal expenses like getting a new watch cannot.
So if that check 003006 went to buy a new watch but was listed in the books as electric bill, that's falsifying business records. The DA's job would be proving that money went for a new watch and not electricity.

So that's what has happened so far in the trial - the DA is attempting to trace the flow of money from the Trump organization to various entities that received the money, and he is attempting to show that the business records for that money transfer were falsified, and the DA is attempting to show that it was done with Trump's knowlege and approval.

It's only seems complicated because it appears that every single person involved is a known liar.
Penal Law §175.05 is for falsifying business records and it is a misdemeanor and has a 2-year SOL.


Penal Law §175.10 is for fraud that was done with "intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission". Never has the prosecution told Trump, his lawyers, the judge, the jury, or anyone else about what is the "other crime" he had the "intent" of committing or to "aid or conceal the commission of" this other mystery crime that they're accusing him of.

Isn't it typical for a person to know what they're being accused of before it ends up in a courtroom?
 
Old Yesterday, 05:55 PM
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All I'm seeing from this trial is more and more support for Trump. Even people such as myself who aren't frothing from the mouth Trump fans can see past the nonsense. Too bad the equally frothing from the mouth Democrats cannot.
 
Old Yesterday, 06:05 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by snowmountains View Post
All these effort to get Trump eventually makes Trump more and more like a saint. He is the most scrutinized person in America and yet they can't find a single crime, and that is now known to everyone, friend and foes alike.
Just like with Cohen. He'd had nothing on Trump. He'd told his lawyer, Costello, that when the DA and his cronies, including Colangelo, were leaning on him and trying to force him to give them dirt on Trump or else they will imprison his wife, he said many, many times that 'he has nothing to give them because Trump had done nothing wrong'.

He'd decided that the only way he could keep his wife out of prison was to make up lies about Trump. So, he made up stories and used them to get the prosecution off of his wife's back.
 
Old Yesterday, 06:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
100% this.

They don't actually need or even want a conviction. They just need him and his time & resources tied up sitting in a courtroom instead of campaigning. That's entire point of lawfare. It's a war of attrition meant to drain resources, not actually conquer or achieve objectives.
Yet their farce of justice here has been a campaign helper for Trump in the many that see this for what it is
 
Old Yesterday, 06:11 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9 View Post
The problem is that the prosecution has no evidence that Trump intended to cheat on his taxes in that way.
Maybe #2 Star Witness, Stormy's steamy pack of adult entertainment lies proved he intended to commit a crime?

nah, she was just there to titillate the judge and jury...and it obviously worked on Merchan since he wasn't focusing on business at hand and was making many errors that day. He'd even forgot to bring the jury in before he'd started the trial and had to be reminded about it.
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