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Old Yesterday, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Originally Posted by Wapasha View Post
No kidding!

The entire weight of the deep state machine was turned against Trump in 2016-today.

The deep state spied on Trump, his campaign, everyone in his orbit was spied on.

He was impeached by the Democrats in Congress, twice.

And with all of that, and all of these hundred or so indictments, they cannot find one crime Trump ever committed, not one.

The guy is a freaking Boy Scout.

Trump is more squeaky clean than any politician in the recorded history of the world.
BINGO on both counts.

Count 1 - Trump is the most persecuted politician in US history.

Count 2 - He has been investigated six ways from Sunday by everyone from Congress to US intelligence, and all they have on him is a porn star's NDA, documents he declassified, some legal business dealings, and a rally speech where he told the crowd to be peaceful and respect the police.

Trump is guilty of one thing. He is guilty of trying to improve America and the lives of ordinary Americans, which put him in the cross hairs of the New World Order and the progressive wing of the Deep State.

 
Old Yesterday, 06:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck View Post
I'm trying to understand this as well. Obviously there was a hush money payment. So Cohen paid Daniels, out of his pocket or law firm. Trump then reimbursed Cohen by paying him and labeling the payments as legal costs.

Is this correct ? Was Cohen under retainer at that time, so any payments to him would be considered legal costs , regardless of what happened under the Attorney umbrella, I would think.

It all seems unethical, but unlawful ?
Trump didn't label the payments at all. An employee did the labeling.
 
Old Yesterday, 06:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Leo58 View Post
Who cares what Tom Cotton thinks about the case?
Kill the messenger huh?
 
Old Yesterday, 06:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd View Post
Donald Trump was indicted by a grand jury made up of New York County citizens.
If the two of you have been following this trial at all, you would know that he is charged with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree.


That's 34 felony counts. This may be a joke to you, but Trump sleeps in the court room because he is not sleeping at night.
34 fraudulent counts that is.
 
Old Yesterday, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Igor Blevin View Post
BINGO on both counts.

Count 1 - Trump is the most persecuted politician in US history.

Count 2 - He has been investigated six ways from Sunday by everyone from Congress to US intelligence, and all they have on him is a porn star's NDA, documents he declassified, some legal business dealings, and a rally speech where he told the crowd to be peaceful and respect the police.

Trump is guilty of one thing. He is guilty of trying to improve America and the lives of ordinary Americans, which put him in the cross hairs of the New World Order and the progressive wing of the Deep State.
And he is braggadocios.

But his worst offense, is he has a brusque way of speaking his mind and telling people what he really thinks about them.
 
Old Yesterday, 10:19 PM
 
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Because you asked, here's the indictment.
https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/u...Indictment.pdf
And here's the case the the DA is attempting to prove:
https://manhattanda.org/district-att...onald-j-trump/


It's 34 of these:
"THIRTY-FOURTH COUNT:
AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the
defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE,
in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:
The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017,
with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J.
Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006,
and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization."


The 34 counts are each an instance of falsifying business records. There's an entry for check 003006 that says what the check is for.
The what-it's-for matters because (as an example) expenses (such as electric bill for office) can be deducted from the gross income of the organization come tax time, but generally personal expenses like getting a new watch cannot.
So if that check 003006 went to buy a new watch but was listed in the books as electric bill, that's falsifying business records. The DA's job would be proving that money went for a new watch and not electricity.

So that's what has happened so far in the trial - the DA is attempting to trace the flow of money from the Trump organization to various entities that received the money, and he is attempting to show that the business records for that money transfer were falsified, and the DA is attempting to show that it was done with Trump's knowlege and approval.

It's only seems complicated because it appears that every single person involved is a known liar.



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Originally Posted by Chuckity View Post
“Trace the flow?” “Various entities that received the money”? lol

New watch? Electric bill? Wtf? Lmao

You have zero idea of what is going on with this case. Zero. Zip. Nada.
And you have problem with reading comprehension.
Ask a friend what "as an example" in this context means.

On second thought I'll explain why I used an example rather than actual testimony from the case.
Considering that so much of the testimony is done by known liars, I won't repeat their testimony - I don't want anyone to think that I believe any particular part of their testimony or disbelieve any part of it. So I use an example to explain the flow of the trial in relationship to the indictment and why at this part of the trial Senator Cotton's statements don't make sense.
 
Old Today, 02:13 AM
 
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Since most of the posts in this thread mirror what is already being discussed in the main thread https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...l-trial-7.html, this one is now closed.
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