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Old Today, 08:42 AM
 
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Just going out on a limb here...and it's only my opinion. I think these individuals that suffer gender dysphoria probably build up in their minds, that this surgery will be the thing that makes them feel as they should, and for some, they find that it doesn't.

My wife has a client, almost retirement age now, that went through the surgery decades ago, and is one that it didn't make the changes in their life that they thought, and struggles still with depression.

It just seems like more proof that you just can't change how you were born, and that the main focus is to help these individuals with the psychological aspects on how to live their lives the best they can.

 
Old Today, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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It is really sad what is being forced on our kids by the Left. As if kids are not confused enough these days between the Fear of Global Warming, a School Shooting, Keeping up with Social Media and an uncertain future of pandemics, wars and Terrorist threats they now have to be worried at a young age that they were born into the wrong body.



There is an incredible amount of pressure being put on kids and it is no wonder that many are not happy. I'm sure that many of us couldn't imagine questioning our genders at 10 years old but that is what the Left is forcing kids to do.
Letting a child pursue what is a fad to most is child abuse.
 
Old Today, 09:52 AM
 
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turns out that those constant cries that we have to let them do any crazy thing they want to themselves or they'll commit suicide were blatant lies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38699117/
One of the "rules" of surgery- never operate on crazy people.

The other rules of thumb are never operate on very fat people or poorly controlled diabetics.

The only "good" news about this is that over the next twenty years, there will be a bonanza for the trial lawyer's association in suing those who have ruined the lives of those who have undergone these surgeries.
 
Old Today, 11:29 AM
 
Location: USA
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It is really sad what is being forced on our kids by the Left. As if kids are not confused enough these days between the Fear of Global Warming, a School Shooting, Keeping up with Social Media and an uncertain future of pandemics, wars and Terrorist threats they now have to be worried at a young age that they were born into the wrong body.



There is an incredible amount of pressure being put on kids and it is no wonder that many are not happy. I'm sure that many of us couldn't imagine questioning our genders at 10 years old but that is what the Left is forcing kids to do.
Letting a child pursue what is a fad to most is child abuse.
Well said! For what ever reason Leftist will jump on whatever fad is out there and call it gospel everytime
 
Old Today, 11:36 AM
 
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This study is flawed. The reason so many parents started seeking gender affirming surgery for their teens is because everyone was noticing how common suicide is among gender confused individuals.

This study compares 3 groups:

1. People who need emergency health care who have had gender affirming surgeries
2. People who need emergency health care who have not had any gender related surgeries
3. People who need emergency health care who have had surgeries to make them infertile - vasectomies and tubal ligations.

That doesn't get at the truth, at all.

How about comparing suicide rates of people who have had gender changing procedures, vs. people who were begging for those procedures but were denied them. Compare THOSE two groups, and you'll get at whether medical procedures for gender confusion are causing a problem.

THAT's where you'll get the truth of how dangerous gender affirming care is. The truth is, those people were already in a very difficult group, before any medical procedures were done. Because they are so profoundly unhappy and feel completely out of place, even in their own bodies. Recipe for serious depression and suicide, whether you do any procedures or not.

NOTE: This study isn't even trying to get at suicides. It's suicide attempts, which are often a means of communicating to loved ones that people are unhappy, not that they actually intend to kill themselves. People who intend to kill themselves can manage to do it. People who want to make yet ANOTHER outcry that they're unhappy stage an attempt. (Not always, this can vary).
Exactly. Very much a case of apples and oranges here. The regret rate for gender affirming surgery is less than 1%.
https://www.americanjournalofsurgery...238-1/abstract

That they will continue to be a high profile political football and face discrimination remains regardless of surgery.
 
Old Today, 12:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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This study is flawed. The reason so many parents started seeking gender affirming surgery for their teens is because everyone was noticing how common suicide is among gender confused individuals.

This study compares 3 groups:

1. People who need emergency health care who have had gender affirming surgeries
2. People who need emergency health care who have not had any gender related surgeries
3. People who need emergency health care who have had surgeries to make them infertile - vasectomies and tubal ligations.

That doesn't get at the truth, at all.

How about comparing suicide rates of people who have had gender changing procedures, vs. people who were begging for those procedures but were denied them. Compare THOSE two groups, and you'll get at whether medical procedures for gender confusion are causing a problem.

THAT's where you'll get the truth of how dangerous gender affirming care is. The truth is, those people were already in a very difficult group, before any medical procedures were done. Because they are so profoundly unhappy and feel completely out of place, even in their own bodies. Recipe for serious depression and suicide, whether you do any procedures or not.

NOTE: This study isn't even trying to get at suicides. It's suicide attempts, which are often a means of communicating to loved ones that people are unhappy, not that they actually intend to kill themselves. People who intend to kill themselves can manage to do it. People who want to make yet ANOTHER outcry that they're unhappy stage an attempt. (Not always, this can vary).
So it's mental health issue, like we didn't already call that out.
 
Old Today, 01:15 PM
 
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Just going out on a limb here...and it's only my opinion. I think these individuals that suffer gender dysphoria probably build up in their minds, that this surgery will be the thing that makes them feel as they should, and for some, they find that it doesn't.

My wife has a client, almost retirement age now, that went through the surgery decades ago, and is one that it didn't make the changes in their life that they thought, and struggles still with depression.

It just seems like more proof that you just can't change how you were born, and that the main focus is to help these individuals with the psychological aspects on how to live their lives the best they can.
Not only that - it makes them feel worse - because now they are fighting themselves at the cellular and DNA level... since they were wholly designed to be a certain gender.
 
Old Today, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Originally Posted by ClaraC View Post
This study is flawed. The reason so many parents started seeking gender affirming surgery for their teens is because everyone was noticing how common suicide is among gender confused individuals.

This study compares 3 groups:

1. People who need emergency health care who have had gender affirming surgeries
2. People who need emergency health care who have not had any gender related surgeries
3. People who need emergency health care who have had surgeries to make them infertile - vasectomies and tubal ligations.

That doesn't get at the truth, at all.

How about comparing suicide rates of people who have had gender changing procedures, vs. people who were begging for those procedures but were denied them. Compare THOSE two groups, and you'll get at whether medical procedures for gender confusion are causing a problem.

THAT's where you'll get the truth of how dangerous gender affirming care is. The truth is, those people were already in a very difficult group, before any medical procedures were done. Because they are so profoundly unhappy and feel completely out of place, even in their own bodies. Recipe for serious depression and suicide, whether you do any procedures or not.

NOTE: This study isn't even trying to get at suicides. It's suicide attempts, which are often a means of communicating to loved ones that people are unhappy, not that they actually intend to kill themselves. People who intend to kill themselves can manage to do it. People who want to make yet ANOTHER outcry that they're unhappy stage an attempt. (Not always, this can vary).
I've been watching a bunch of Detransitioning videos, as well as Congressional hearings with trans and detransed people who spoke.

Every. single. one. of. those people talked about how it took them only one session, 30 minutes or less to get signed off for surgery, hormones, etc., and how those who were children, had parents who were told that this was necessary or their child might commit suicide. There were even threats that the parents would have their children taken away.

Had anyone sat them down and told them that what they are feeling at that time in their life was actually very normal, and that all of those other kids they think are 'happy' are going through the same thing, and that you don't have to give up your feminine side just because you like some of the masculine things, or vice versa, there is no book of rules saying how you 'have' to be. Everyone goes at their own rate.

For those who may have had other issues, you can't diagnose that in a 45 minute therapy session. But too many went completely undiagnosed because adults were too impatient to get them on hormone therapy. So, they go through all of that nonsense, and guess what? They still have the same issue, because no one bothered to take the time to do more sessions.

I will listen to those who went through it, how they were fooled into believing that normal feelings while going through puberty were considered 'proof that they needed hormone therapy and life altering surgeries'.

Despite the trans community trashing on those who share their destransitioning stories, the stories ARE coming out. There are a LOT of them, and every last one of them says the same thing. They didn't think they were 'girly' enough, or didn't think they were 'boy enough' because they didn't do what society told them was 'how girls act and what they like' or 'how boys act and what they like', they weren't feminine enough, or not masculine enough, (whatever), they didn't like how they looked, they felt isolated from all the other 'happy' kids...which is not true. I don't think a single kid gets through puberty without thinking they aren't 'enough', and there's something wrong.

So, thinking they were alone in the world, they went online. Between YouTube and Tumblr, way too many kids decided that being trans was the answer. People who had transitioned talked about how it would cure everything. They would be happy. All their problems would go away.

And when a kid goes to seek help, they get a single session, rarely possibly two sessions, and next thing you know, the doc is saying to the parents about their daughter, 'Would you rather have a trans boy, or a dead daughter!' because they told parents that their kid would probably commit suicide.

How about you spend a few days watching those videos before spewing that 'the research is wrong'. Adults, they can do as they please. But children? Stop playing games with them. Too many have been led down that road, and now, too many of them have reached a point of no return, even when they stop taking the hormones.

For biological girls, their voices NEVER come back. They will always be deeper. Their face shape will no longer be softer than males, but more chiseled, like most males. There's one kid that is balding because of the testosterone, and despite wanting to be a girl again, they have to live with that forever. Some of them still get facial hair that they have to shave. Some of them will NEVER be able to have their own kid. Some of them no longer have the chest they would have had were it not for doctors actually agreeing to cut them off when the girl was STILL. A. CHILD!

Don't even sit there and act like that doesn't screw up a person. They regret what they've done, and will forever regret it. Some of them will not be able to handle what they've done, and will commit suicide, especially when a community who welcomed them and were their 'friends', turn around and try to destroy them, mock them, shame them when they decide that they want to destransition.

Why don't you take this weekend to listen to what they have to say.
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