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Old 06-17-2008, 09:27 PM
 
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I'm not being hostile, but it's called perceived reality. In this case, as defined by you.
Yes, another name for it is 'selective attention'. I think you've defined yourself quite well in many threads that way.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Huh? No, I'm saying that a woman making a career out of being a stay at home mom could be an excellent candidate for foster care parenting but it's essentially free labor settup in most states. Not even minimum wage/SS wages. I'm saying its just an idea. Have a better idea how women minding hearth and home for the sake of civilization can be valued for their labors? Old mother hubbard will find herself on welfare one way or another if we do nothing, or find the concept of motherhood extinct with exception to wealthy classes because it's not cost effective? Zoiks!
Odd, I'm not married, have no kids at home, and my girlfriend still gets....everything I earn. So if anything, I'M the one not earning anything, since she gets 100% of the net income to do with what she wants...which is usually covering the bills. Her auto insurance is paid out of my check, and her AUTO was paid for out of my check...
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:19 AM
 
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tkramer you're worth every dollar you were paid established on company payroll, plus benefits. Whatever you've given to her is charity, for whatever reasons you have to do it, but bills of today are just the tip of the iceberg.

Women who stay homemakers their whole lives wind up not having any pension, 401k plans, and not being eligible for SS/medicare because they never paid into the system. Only as a dependant, through a qualified husband, do they qualify. The difference between being able to make it or not is based on charity, and that can be revoked at any time from numerous sources.
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Yes, another name for it is 'selective attention'. I think you've defined yourself quite well in many threads that way.
Perhaps you need to work on your selectivity...
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:00 PM
 
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you're still talking, and still saying zero content... What purpose for this I wonder?
never answered the question, and yet you still come back with more nonsense?
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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never answered the question, and yet you still come back with more nonsense?
Some would call it nonsense, others would call it an attempt to lighten up a conversation which has just about run its course.

The latter, though, requires that one take oneself a little less seriously than is apparently your wont.

Not that that makes you a bad person or anything.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Enough with the back and forth

Back on topic...please
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Old 06-18-2008, 09:45 PM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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colleen I'll bet there are millions of anecdotal stories just like that to document our collective economic situation. I do not see men unable to provide 6 figure incomes as dysfunctional bread winners. Cost of living has changed, and there are only so many shortcuts to saving $ & make due before being in the workforce asserts itself. Of course there are those making a decent living, but when you see complete benefits package dwindled to not much, pensions gone, SS solvency vague, healthcare costs beyond retirement... it's not just a mortgage to worry about anymore.
Very true. My story is probably one of many that can be attributed to our current dilemma. However, planning ahead can certainly help. I tell my children that when they get married, but before they start their family, they should make a concerted effort to pay off bills, and get their finances to where one of them can stay home -- at least part time -- until the kids are in school. I have a neice and her husband doing that right now -- postponing kids until they can get their finances in order.
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Old 06-19-2008, 02:39 AM
 
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Very true. My story is probably one of many that can be attributed to our current dilemma. However, planning ahead can certainly help. I tell my children that when they get married, but before they start their family, they should make a concerted effort to pay off bills, and get their finances to where one of them can stay home -- at least part time -- until the kids are in school. I have a neice and her husband doing that right now -- postponing kids until they can get their finances in order.
Kids having kids is scary to me. Postponing childbearing until you can afford it... our civilization gears everyone into perpetual debt. Someone should do the math and figure out what it costs to have a job at all before taxes come out of a salary.

A for instance was my sister, graduated top of her class in social work, got a job that didn't pay more than 32k in an economy that required 90k or better combined salary to keep your head above water. She did the math about daycare costs, upkeep on the second car, gas, insurance, travel time, wardrobe, lost deduction on her husbands salary... when all was said and done she had negative numbers going on and opted to stay home until my nephew was older and required little/no supervision.

Had she been an accounting major, it would've been a non issue. Something of an irony that social workers are underpaid relative to the cost of their education, and makes them at times eligible for aid. Talk about screwy.
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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I thought our value was measured in the time spent with our children and by raising them to be productive citizens in society? Of about 20 of my friends, only two work full-time and two of us work part-time. Some are more wealthy than others, but those that are not have learned how to stretch their funds, use coupons, etc. I think that more young moms choose to be home with their kids than not these days, but they also have a degree and a career to return to when the children are school age. I really don't see the need to supplement the role of a mother.
I always remember a story I read about Jackie Kennedy Onassis. She was asked in an interview what she considered her greatest accomplishment. She said raising two well adjusted productive children. She said if she did wonderful things in her life, but messed up (my words) her children, she would have been a failure. It was even claimed in one story that one of the reasons she married Aristotle was to get her children away from their Kennedy cousins who were into drugs at the time.

I always admired her for that.
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