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Old 07-03-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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So in the interest of reducing second trimester abortions, first trimesters should be readily available on demand without restrictions upon insurance coverage or federal medical benefits, as should emergency contraceptives.
Can we make this a poll? I don't know how.

 
Old 07-03-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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I really don't think abortion is neither wrong, illegal, or disgusting.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I really don't think abortion is neither wrong, illegal, or disgusting.
I agree.

I do not see it as 'wrong' in the sense like it is a sin or anything. Since the Bible has such a clear stance on the topic. However to be considered a normal daily part of life, does imply a promiscuous lifestyle; which I do feel is 'wrong'.

Abortion is not illegal in most nations of the planet.

And I fail to see where it is any more [or less] disgusting than any other operation.

If a lady is mature enough to be able to make the decision; Can I raise this future child and give it the love and support that it will need? Or would it be wiser to abort? This takes a very mature person to honestly carry that debate.

Does our culture truly need more single moms? I think not.

Do we need more children addicted to drugs? My DW and I adopted such a child. A wonderful man he has turned out to be, though he will forever be a drain on society.

A lady should be able to assess herself and her life; is she at the appropriate place to raise a child?

If the answer is 'no'; then perhaps an abortion is the right answer for her.

We should not be placing blame, or hatred, or 'moral' disgust onto her; for her decision.

Repeating the mantra that she will be ashamed years later, is really just trying to convince folks of such. A 'guilty trip' of sorts.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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I agree.

I do not see it as 'wrong' in the sense like it is a sin or anything. Since the Bible has such a clear stance on the topic. However to be considered a normal daily part of life, does imply a promiscuous lifestyle; which I do feel is 'wrong'.

Abortion is not illegal in most nations of the planet.

And I fail to see where it is any more [or less] disgusting than any other operation.

If a lady is mature enough to be able to make the decision; Can I raise this future child and give it the love and support that it will need? Or would it be wiser to abort? This takes a very mature person to honestly carry that debate.

Does our culture truly need more single moms? I think not.

Do we need more children addicted to drugs? My DW and I adopted such a child. A wonderful man he has turned out to be, though he will forever be a drain on society.

A lady should be able to assess herself and her life; is she at the appropriate place to raise a child?

If the answer is 'no'; then perhaps an abortion is the right answer for her.

We should not be placing blame, or hatred, or 'moral' disgust onto her; for her decision.

Repeating the mantra that she will be ashamed years later, is really just trying to convince folks of such. A 'guilty trip' of sorts.
You know, you are so right. People are just having kids just because. Women who want kids and refuse to have an abortion are very, very bad. I don't find those kinds of women attractive. Childfree women are more attractive and intelligent.

We're suffering from overpopulation and still, people continues to pollute the world with more. That's not good. Its better if more people my age stopped having kids, that way my dating chances would be open..
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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You know, you are so right. People are just having kids just because. Women who want kids and refuse to have an abortion are very, very bad. I don't find those kinds of women attractive. Childfree women are more attractive and intelligent.

We're suffering from overpopulation and still, people continues to pollute the world with more. That's not good. Its better if more people my age stopped having kids, that way my dating chances would be open..

Woman should be allowed the choice to decide for themselves if and when they are ready to become mothers.

I do not see anyone as being 'bad', for wanting to be able to make intelligent and informed decisions about their life.

What I do see as 'bad' is tyranny. And anyone who tries to control others, whether it be by making non-sense laws, or by guilt trips, is attempting to be a tyrant.

I have no idea of what you are 'suffering' from. If you insist that you are suffering from 'over-population' fine. I am not aware that you personally are suffering from such a thing.

Cities draw people, and those cities then may become densely populated. Are cities becoming 'over-populated'? I don't know.

If your city is too big then why did you move there?

Where I live, we have about 8 people per square mile, and 50 deer are harvested from my township each year [according to the US census and the state's fish and game department].
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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Woman should be allowed the choice to decide for themselves if and when they are ready to become mothers.

I do not see anyone as being 'bad', for wanting to be able to make intelligent and informed decisions about their life.

What I do see as 'bad' is tyranny. And anyone who tries to control others, whether it be by making non-sense laws, or by guilt trips, is attempting to be a tyrant.

I have no idea of what you are 'suffering' from. If you insist that you are suffering from 'over-population' fine. I am not aware that you personally are suffering from such a thing.

Cities draw people, and those cities then may become densely populated. Are cities becoming 'over-populated'? I don't know.

If your city is too big then why did you move there?

Where I live, we have about 8 people per square mile, and 50 deer are harvested from my township each year [according to the US census and the state's fish and game department].
Yes, like Los Angeles for example. I don't think anyone should have kids there.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:22 PM
 
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I'm in the vast minority here, I believe that people shouldn't breed. It's a personal opinion, I don't care to have anyone enforce it. It is nothing but my personal opinion.
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Believe me when I say, they may say that now, but when they get older, there is guilt...we think so differently when we're young....we do what is most convenient for us...all in the name of fun..excitement, fulfillment...but as we age...we realize, and our priorities change...and life becomes so valuable...so intricate, and an understanding develops...that said, don't judge...be patient if you can, it is not ours to bear...but I know your pain for those babies.
This is your thinking, not everyone's. So please speak for yourself not others.
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I understand the potential for regret.....I am not trying to make anyone feel badly, but at the same time it does offend me to my core knowing, holding and giving birth to my 'polyp', it is just painful to have her life reduce to a hangnail.
But it’s you who chooses to make all of this personal. It’s not. I think you are losing sight of the big picture.
For you and others who have miscarried, it’s very difficult, but it happens to millions of people per year. Millions.
Your emotional turmoil is not a reason to judge everyone else in the world.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Ever try to get sterilized as a woman?
Didn’t think so, they usually don’t ALLOW it unless a woman has at least 2 children.
They think women might change their minds, what happens once a woman has a child and then changes her mind.
Might want to look at a little bit of reality here.
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camping!
Then if you were going to abort, then go by your rules.
Leave other people out of your set of rules.
What they do is none of your business.
I'm sorry, that is an excuse...there are more and more women/teenage mothers, getting pregnant that should not. As I stated before, if people used their minds and used protection, we wouldn't be having this conversation..
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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What's an excuse?
ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THE US. It is the law of the land.

Abortion will always be necessary in this world; your opinion will not change that fact.
 
Old 07-03-2008, 03:34 PM
 
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I agree with ya. I also believe that young people who are childless should stay that way forever.

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I'm in the vast minority here, I believe that people shouldn't breed. It's a personal opinion, I don't care to have anyone enforce it. It is nothing but my personal opinion.
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This is your thinking, not everyone's. So please speak for yourself not others.
I'm Not Sorry.net: Celebrating The Right To Choose



But it’s you who chooses to make all of this personal. It’s not. I think you are losing sight of the big picture.
For you and others who have miscarried, it’s very difficult, but it happens to millions of people per year. Millions.
Your emotional turmoil is not a reason to judge everyone else in the world.
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