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Oh Snow, have no doubt I fully believe at this point we need to just wack em all. don't get me wrong there. IF we send our troops in it has to be to the bitter end.
And no I don't and never will trust my safety and concern to the peace at any cost crowd.
Hell I was spit on when I came back in 72 so I have no illusion as to the level the libs will go to to discredit.
But that wasn't my point. I just firmly believe that Bush lied. Nothing sinister. I don't believe that the CIA had anything to do with the Trade center.
I just think Bush lied.
Were in it to the hilt in Iraq so we just need to kill em as much as possible until they or we cry uncle.Sad commentary,,,,,,that isnt it.
The impeachment process is too slow. Bush/Cheney should be arrested immediately for treason and be sentenced a minimum of life in maximum security prison.
I love the irony..If anyone needs to be rounded up for treason it's this attention starved, left wing icon, Ramsey Clark who has made a career out of being an America hating nutbag
I love the irony..If anyone needs to be rounded up for treason it's this attention starved, left wing icon, Ramsey Clark who has made a career out of being an America hating nutbag
Do your research on this loose cannon.
I was thinking the same thing when this thread first posted. From what I recall, Clark "Came Clean" a few years back. He said something about how when he was the AG for Johnson he did and said stuff he knew was wrong and prolonged the war in VN. Maybe he could shoot himself for treason.
Reading the many posts has been interesting. One thing is obvious--that overstatements and exaggeration abound in making the case for some of the various positions.
First-- leaving the small percentage of true pacifists aside the large majority of BOTH political parties desire proper and aggressive national defense. Is this what the Iraq situation is? If not, there is adaquate reason to pronounce it dubious and proceed to the whys and hows.
Citing the attacks over many years such as the cole etc. most people acknowledge that the US was being provoked to take further actions--I doubt these attacks were without purpose. Should the US always take the bait? Should the US be where we don't belong? Can a war by anyone at anytime eliminate terrorism? My info. tells me terrorism has been with us since the beginning and can and has been a local issue as well. Many countries have felt the repercussions of this illegal activity.
As far as defense of the G. Wrong Adm. a fair trial would be more appropriate than impeachment--and more economical--the Hague. IMO an indictment can in fact occur after leaving office.
To my knowledge, character including basic political policy as well as philosophical associates would play a role in determining guilt. Rumsfeld--Wolfowitz--Cheney--Perle and the various influences of possible empire building advocates and like leaning think tanks would be important. We have had the mongering of the imperialists for years who advocate preemptive "get 'em now while the gettings good" position and continue to push hard for this point of view to this day.
Let us imagine there are no charges formally brought against this Pres. and his adm. What will that leave us as a country and how can we have confidence in our future leaders and our futures as Americans.
I love the irony..If anyone needs to be rounded up for treason it's this attention starved, left wing icon, Ramsey Clark who has made a career out of being an America hating nutbag
Reading the many posts has been interesting. One thing is obvious--that overstatements and exaggeration abound in making the case for some of the various positions.
First-- leaving the small percentage of true pacifists aside the large majority of BOTH political parties desire proper and aggressive national defense. Is this what the Iraq situation is? If not, there is adaquate reason to pronounce it dubious and proceed to the whys and hows.
Citing the attacks over many years such as the cole etc. most people acknowledge that the US was being provoked to take further actions--I doubt these attacks were without purpose. Should the US always take the bait? Should the US be where we don't belong? Can a war by anyone at anytime eliminate terrorism? My info. tells me terrorism has been with us since the beginning and can and has been a local issue as well. Many countries have felt the repercussions of this illegal activity.
As far as defense of the G. Wrong Adm. a fair trial would be more appropriate than impeachment--and more economical--the Hague. IMO an indictment can in fact occur after leaving office.
To my knowledge, character including basic political policy as well as philosophical associates would play a role in determining guilt. Rumsfeld--Wolfowitz--Cheney--Perle and the various influences of possible empire building advocates and like leaning think tanks would be important. We have had the mongering of the imperialists for years who advocate preemptive "get 'em now while the gettings good" position and continue to push hard for this point of view to this day.
Let us imagine there are no charges formally brought against this Pres. and his adm. What will that leave us as a country and how can we have confidence in our future leaders and our futures as Americans.
I think President Bush used this line "BRING IT ON". If someone wants to bring charges... the Hague whatever. BRING IT ON. Sitting back and writing bumper stickers is for pansies. All talk and no action. Bunch of posters say you want to put them all in jail for life. DO IT. Or SHUT UP. Call your Congressman, Contact A Law Firm That Specializes In International Law and get a consult. But do something.
The impeachment process is too slow. Bush/Cheney should be arrested immediately for treason and be sentenced a minimum of life in maximum security prison.
We should classify them as unlawful enemy combatants and have their right to habeas corpus removed by sending them to Guantanamo.
I can understand the need to "protect" us from the mean old terrorists but Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. If we were going to be protected then we should be dealing with the Saudi funding of the terror attacks, or the Pakistani protection of them. We dealt with Afghanistan but due to some in fighting apparently with Rumsfeld we lost many opportunities to get Bin Laden. I have an issue with the Bin Laden family being protected and not interrogated right after the events of 9/11. I don't think our best interests were served. I can't help but question the actions of the man that received millions from the same Bin Laden family.... Seems like a conflict of interest to me at the least and aiding and abetting on the far side.
The issue of impeachment is not actually to go after Bush but to cut the legs out from under him so he won't drag us into a conflict with Iran. We have a history of supporting horrible regimes so we can't say it is done to overturn some terror foe.
We have little respect for the beliefs and cultures of others. We have this Manifest Destiny mentality our God is the only right one and our way to live is the only right one. Face it we have ministers and preachers calling everyone out then screwing aroound on their wives we have priests taking advantage of the alter boys, We have divorce rates that were horrific prior to gays wanting to be married , we have young people shooting each other for bumping their girl friend(it was a stabbing here in Orlando - a jr high student bumped a girl in a line and her bf stabbed him to death).... in short our way is greatly flawed and we certainly can't claim it is the best way. In our arrogance we fail to look at other options. Mind you we have many great accomplishments and things to be proud of but we can all learn from others as well. What we fail to do at the individual level we fail at the national level as well.
While some may think I am down on America I am actually not I think we need to maintain those things that mad us great (our Constitution) I find it horricif that these Nazis come in and defile a great document while wrapping themselves in the flag. Don't think for a minute the wolf is less than what he is because he is sitting at the dinner table.
Some think I overlook the fault of the democrats and again that isnt true. Here is my issue with Clinton and Monica... Kenneth Star was appointed to investigate Whitewater Investments.....and nothing more He wasted 54M and came up with nothing related to that. The only thing that came from it was him investigating a semen stain on a womans dress that was doing something she shouldn't. I do not disagree Clinton should not have done what he did. I disagree that anything was remotely looked at relating to it under the "Whitewater investigation" He was out of scope and a grand jury dealing with White water should never have asked the question. Should Clinton have lied..no would anyone else have performed differently... i doubt it under the circumstances. Should his action be looked at under what it was... ok but then we need to stop turning a blind eye to all the other politicians that cheat on their spouses... Kennedy, Bush sr, FDR, who ever you want to look at dem or repub.... Seems it is an issue of character and national values, both of which seem to need improvement.
I would be the first in line to hold all the politicians accountable. I think they should do what they say and live with integrity. Too many fall short from both sides of the fence.
So you want to bring charges against the only leader that has stood for the U.S. in any meaningful way since John Kennedy. Yea, he has his failings but thank God Almighty he was in place instead of E-Gore. The only thing E-Gore lacks for full presentation is a TuTu. Just keep whimpering and snorting about how bad it is and watching MSNBC for the "Truth". Rather than worrying about what is going away it is best to worry about what is ahead. With Obama in charge I will definatley be putting survival ahead of all other concerns. American haters beware, your dreams may be coming true, the social and possible military annihilation of America. Are you prepared?
Go ahead and impeach Pres. Bush... he was a corrupt politician, he broke the laws and try to rewrite them so it would allow him to break them, he intentionally mislead America (although, they are easily mislead sheep)... he fought for the rich and corrupt businesses... he drove our economy into the toilet (although with a LOT of help from the democrats in Congress)... Impeach his arse! In all honesty, it won't mean much... he is leaving office in several months and he isn't really doing "much" now anyways... another lame duck president... but then also realize that you would make "Dick Cheney" president and forever in the history books if you do succeed... do you really want that? I don't really care, I am just glad the both of them are leaving...
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