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View Poll Results: Were Native Americans the victims of Genocide by the United States of America?
Yes 184 67.65%
No 88 32.35%
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:20 PM
 
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One could possibly say that we are still in the process of genocide:

Spiritual and cultural genocide: Native Americans are faced with either being totally assimilated by the Western Culture - or dying out on the many reservations... kept there, out of the way and out of mind, by supposedly beneficent governments; ignored and forgotten by the citizens.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:24 PM
 
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Mach 50 they want to be there.

They're their own nation - for Pete's sake and they get money from the US Government.

There is no military force with guns drawn keeping these people on their reservations!
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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The US indian population has dramatically increased in numbers by the way!

They're increasing and getting US money.

And they call the shots on their territories not the US Government.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Mach 50 they want to be there.

They're their own nation - for Pete's sake and they get money from the US Government.

There is no military force with guns drawn keeping these people on their reservations!
You think they want to be there because you have been taught that, if they leave all they will have is Western Euro Culture. We are still in the process of Manifest Destiny.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:35 PM
 
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Yes many do. Do you really think they want to live in Atlanta, or New Orleans or Detroit or New York? Do you really think they want to disappear in San Antonio or LA?

I don't know what country you live in but it's definitely not much of a Western Euro Culture.

And how are we in the process of Manifest Destiny?
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:43 PM
 
Location: At my computador
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One could possibly say that we are still in the process of genocide:

Spiritual and cultural genocide: Native Americans are faced with either being totally assimilated by the Western Culture - or dying out on the many reservations... kept there, out of the way and out of mind, by supposedly beneficent governments; ignored and forgotten by the citizens.
Yeah right, the white devil is keeping them from yanking the liquor bottle from their mouths. I 'm quarter native and that segment of my family is the dirtiest scum I've ever seen outside of Detroit, MI.

The reality is that they can't run free hunting buffalo across the highway, so they might as well assimilate the best they can and do pseudo-Renaissance festivals on the weekends. That's how the world works. It's a tough place for those of us born into poverty, but you have two choices-- perpetuate it as they have or accept the world and start acting in a way to make it better for yourself. Sitting around balling that the white man isn't fair isn't going to help them one bit... unless a shipment of welfare cheese is supposed to improve life.


Regarding the question of genocide, who cares? The settlers declared war on them. They lost. Welcome to the real world.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:44 PM
 
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The fact remains that the Indians answered brutality with brutality. The main reason the Jewish people were nearly exterminated was because they were duped into believing if they did what they were told they would survive. So they did not fight back as a group until it was to late. And there may be a number of Indians left alive today. There are also a number of Jews left alive today. That doesn't change the fact that they were reduced to a fraction of their original numbers by hatred and war. And as far as the brutality of the Indians goes, it is a well-known misconception that the Indians were the original scalpers. Well, any student of REAL history knows that scalping was started by the white men. They were paid a bounty for every Indian scalp they turned in. They bashed in babies heads while they lie screaming in their baskets. They raped and murdered the women and systematically slaughtered any Indian encampment they came across that was not in direct conformity of the invading enemy. They stole the very land they lived on out from under them and forced them on small reservations to live like cattle. They destroyed the natural food sources the Indians relied on then forced them into unfair food contracts that were almost never honored. Europeans acted dishonorably throughout the entire sordid affair and may well have completely exterminated the Native American people had they not so vigorously resisted. And there lies your difference between the Jews and the Indians. The Indians fought back from the start, while the Jewish people were fooled into submission and by the time they really knew what was happening, it was to late for any kind of real fight. But luckily, there were good people throughout the world who found this travesty inexcusable and acted to prevent the total annihilation of the Jewish people. The Indians had no such help, they just fought for their people and when there was no way left to fight, they bowed out for the sake of saving at least a few of their kind. Stop trying to draw lines in the sand that wash away with every new wave. It happened, so deal with it and stop making excuses for it.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Yes many do. Do you really think they want to live in Atlanta, or New Orleans or Detroit or New York? Do you really think they want to disappear in San Antonio or LA?

I don't know what country you live in but it's definitely not much of a Western Euro Culture.

And how are we in the process of Manifest Destiny?
I just realized I am debating with the author of "How Dangerous is Multiculturalism for White Children?" thread...

See wall, go around wall.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:46 PM
 
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"under the cloak of sovereign immunity" - it seems the native Americans are pretty good at dissing each other, and since they have this immunity, the disenrolled families have little if any recourse.

LA Weekly - News - Tribal Flush: Pechanga People "Disenrolled" en Masse - Marc Cooper - The Essential Online Resource for Los Angeles

Interesting, that all they have to do to take the measly $15,000/month dividend each adult received and bump it to $40,000/month per adult, is to kick one of their families off the rolls.
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:48 PM
 
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Yeah right, the white devil is keeping them from yanking the liquor bottle from their mouths. I 'm quarter native and that segment of my family is the dirtiest scum I've ever seen outside of Detroit, MI.

The reality is that they can't run free hunting buffalo across the highway, so they might as well assimilate the best they can and do pseudo-Renaissance festivals on the weekends. That's how the world works. It's a tough place for those of us born into poverty, but you have two choices-- perpetuate it as they have or accept the world and start acting in a way to make it better for yourself. Sitting around balling that the white man isn't fair isn't going to help them one bit... unless a shipment of welfare cheese is supposed to improve life.


Regarding the question of genocide, who cares? The settlers declared war on them. They lost. Welcome to the real world.
Would you say the same about the Jews and Gypsies. Germany declared war on their kind. They nearly succeeded in their extermination. But hey, who cares, welcome to the real world. Sorry, but the problem is that your real world isn't real at all. It is a world of domination and hate while the real world stands for peace and love. Those who choose to live in the real world find these kinds of historical events sickening. Those who live in your real world think that is just how the cookie crumbles. God, I hope I never live in your world.
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