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Old 12-13-2012, 04:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives View Post
Seems pretty vague. Maybe they were talking about Allah.

Wouldn't that be a knee-slapper
Like I have already mentioned, if you read the original texts, you will discover they were talking about Christianity specifically, and many of them narrowed it down to protestants. In many States you could not run for office unless you were a protestant Christians. Today, such laws have been removed, but such laws should give you a pretty good idea what the authors were thinking.

 
Old 12-13-2012, 04:41 AM
 
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In name only. Didn't you happen to see how many people are dancing around at the death of a petty Walmart shoplifter?

You call that being a Christian???
You are correct in saying the country has been drifting away, and many people want to have absolutely nothing to do with God. Rejection of God is their right in a free country, and such action will make them "non-Christian" people. However there is a difference between the definitions between "Christian nation" and a "Christian person".
 
Old 12-13-2012, 04:49 AM
 
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That doesn't mean anything, though. At the time, the US was a CULTURALLY--as opposed to politically--Christian country. It is still is CULTURALLY Christian to a great extent. That means God was mentioned in ALL types of writing, from political documents to popular novels to personal letters. So what?
If US was a muslim country, those documents would mention Allah, but they don't.

I am not trying to agrue all Americans are Christians, because that would be a lie. Our laws do not require every citizen to be Christian.

Former Supreme Court Justice Brewer:
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all religions have free scope within our borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially.

In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions. Nevertheless, we constantly speak of this republic as a Christian nation – in fact, as the leading Christian nation of the world.

America was "of all the nations in the world . . . most justly called a Christian nation" because Christianity "has so largely shaped and molded it."
And this "shaping and molding" is still true today as can be evidenced in the State Constitutions.

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Constitutional law professor Edward Mansfield (1801-1880) similarly acknowledged:
In every country, the morals of a people – whatever they may be – take their form and spirit from their religion. For example, the marriage of brothers and sisters was permitted among the Egyptians because such had been the precedent set by their gods, Isis and Osiris.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:44 AM
 
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I think we lost our Christian status as a nation when Wilson signed the federal reserve act. Anyone who actually knows how it works knows how screwed up it is. I don't know how anyone can deny that there is something so overtly evil behind it, that you can't give creedence to some of the things Jesus said about money, the world, usury, ect...
It is evil indeed, but it does not destroy America's status as a Christian nation.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:47 AM
 
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Judeo-Christian is a relatively new term with the intent of being more politically correct. You are right, the nation was founded on Christian values and is now moving away from them.

I don't think Jews were very well respected in early America except maybe in areas with high Jewish populations like New York City.
No. The US was founded on Enlightenment principles.

The Impact of Enlightenment -USHistory.org
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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You do realize you would reject many of the early Founding Fathers as non-Christian right? They were not modern day Conservatives. Fundamentalism didn't exist yet. Many of them rejected Jesus divinity and the trinity.

Convenient how you all cling to the early Americans being Christian when it suits your agenda, despite the fact that you'd dismiss them as secular liberals if they were alive today.
Let us examine the facts.

Religions of the founding fathers

Episcopalian/Anglican...................54.7%
Presbyterian...............................18.6%
Congregationalist........................16.8%
Quaker.......................................4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed...3.7%
Lutheran....................................3.1%
Catholic......................................1.9%
Huguenot..................................1.9%
Unitarian...................................1.9%
Methodist.................................1.2%
Calvinist.................................... 0.6%

Only one Unitarian in the mix, and all others are Christians.

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Old 12-13-2012, 05:55 AM
 
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To answer your question - No. The United States is NOT a Christian Country. We don't even have a national religion for crying out loud!
That's the point. It was left for the people to decide what they wanted to be, and they chose to be Christian out of their own free will, and even insisted in honoring God in their state Constitutions.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 05:56 AM
 
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"Almighty" and "God" could mean anything: Allah, Brahma, Ahura Mazda, Zeus, Buddha, YHWH, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Odin, Amon-Ra ... anything.
If you read the original Constitutions, you will learn it refers to Christian God.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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The majority of people in the US are Christians. Many of the founding fathers were deists, though, rather than self-described Christians, and the legal code of the US comes from the English common law, and not from Abrahamic/Talmudic Biblical law.
That any of the founders were deists is a myth, and easily dispensed with by examination of their writings. Those who would like to separate our history from all vestiges of Christianity like to make this claim. But it doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

While much of our law was based on English common law, it was also grounded in Biblical principles. It isn't accidental nor by some conspiracy that the Ten Commandments appears on so many of our courts of law.

Christianity was the religion of the majority of colonists. It was for the freedom to practice Christianity as they wished that drove them to risk their lives to come here.
"Calvinistic political philosophy (not so much Calvinistic theology) was a driving force in prerevolutionary colonial thinking for several reasons. First, as one historian writes: "Approximately three-fourths of the colonists at the time of the Revolution were identified with denominations that had arisen from the Reformed, Puritan wing of European Protestantism: Congregationalism, Presbyterianism, Baptists, German and Dutch Reformed." Further, it should be remembered that "throughout the colonial period the great majority of the people in all the New England colonies except Rhode Island were Congregationalists, who sometimes and in some places approached so closely to Presbyterianism that it is hard to distinguish accurately between the two [denominations]" These denominations were primarily Calvinistic in their orientation." — John W. Whitehead, "An American Dream", The Clergy.
 
Old 12-13-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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First off the Constitution protects people from the majority. If the Majority of people want to stop the practice of Satanism they can't under the constitution because its not the right to chose the Henry Ford Model A color, black or black, its what ever religion you want to believe in or not believe in.

[Thomas Jefferson]

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
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