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Old 11-18-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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So I would like to know - is the ACLU good or bad for America?
Good.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: California
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Good. Some people don't like what they do but nobody said defending the constitution would be easy. Some people would rather pick and choose and to hell with anything they don't like or that sniffs of being "distastful" or doesn't jibe with their personal and myopic ideals, but they are the very ones we all need protection from. You know who you are.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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As far as liberals go the ACLU isn't the worse of the bunch. Atleast they feign respect for the Constitution. Liberals, I mean progressives, tend to view the constitution as a barrier to forming their perfect utopian socialist state.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:05 PM
 
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As far as liberals go the ACLU isn't the worse of the bunch. Atleast they feign respect for the Constitution. Liberals, I mean progressives, tend to view the constitution as a barrier to forming their perfect utopian socialist state.
There are plenty of conservative ACLUers.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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I read something within the last couple of weeks that the ACLU is trying to make some school buses take a different and longer route because the current route has the buses going past a church and the ACLU says that the kids on the buses shouldn't be exposed to seeing a church on their way to/from school. I think that's pretty ridiculous and they are overstepping their bounds there.
Never heard of that I don't even have to do any googling to tell you it's fake
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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The ACLU is not interested in protecting all people who choose to worship differently.

One of their cases they introduced was to ban military chaplains from using the words "...in Jesus's name..." at any time; even in private at the request of a single soldier.

They say they're about protecting rights, but there's also some smoke and mirrors going on too.

Tell me this, by restricting how chaplains are allowed to pray in private, who are they protecting?

At the same time, muslim chaplain/clerics are allowed to talk about, invoke or whatever the prophet Mohammed or Allah.
Also not true
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:46 PM
 
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Perhaps that's true, but maybe it's not.
I actually heard this on a radio program by the A.C.L.J. (American Center for Law and Justice).
Half their cases seem to involve battling the ACLU usually.

I also heard of an interview with the ACLU founder before he died and he told about how it was a secret communist organization with the intention to use the Constitution "against itself", forcing change on America closer to what this guy thought might be utopian.

(It was started in the 50's or 60's so they had to keep the communist part secret, obviously )
Interview never happened
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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Wrong. The ACLU is having a hissy fit over prayer being offered by military chaplains. In short, they want it STOPPED. Do some more research. I don't know about the rest of you but the last thing I'd want to happen to me just before I went off to battle for my country is to be told I couldn't go to God in prayer! The ACLU is trying to stop chaplains from praying in the name of Jesus Christ. Period. Plain and simple. Ours is a volunteer force made up of mostly Christian men and women and if this isn't an infringement of their religious freedom, please ~ somebody please tell me what is??

There may be other organizations involved, but the ACLU is right there in the big middle of this....
You're the one who needs to do research. The ACLU has nothing against military chaplains praying
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:00 AM
 
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Do you assume that the ACLU isn't involved because there isn't an ongoing lawsuit?? Yes, the ACLU is monitoring the military chaplains. Kind of like the ACLU said that the military bases can't support the Boy Scouts anymore because their oath says "I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country...."

And what is SO interesting to me is that our nation's military itself administers an Oath of Military Service to new members of the armed forces. And the Presidential, Congressional, and Supreme Court Oaths of Office, concludes with the words, "So help me God." In fact, all high-ranking government officers must swear an oath in accordance with Section 3331 of Title V of the U.S. Code that includes that little invocation to the Almighty. Wonder when the ACLU will have this removed???

It should be removed. When the founding fathers wrote the oath for President of the United States they didn't include the words "so help me God" In fact they even included the alternate word "affirm" replacing "swear" for those who wanted their oath to be secular
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