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Old 06-22-2008, 08:31 PM
 
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This generation is far less selfish than the baby boomers and the 80s kids were. They are more into US and not ME. That is exactly why they tend liberal. Thank God- its about time!

That just makes you more of a specail interest groups than a independent really. I would say that the split in the democratic party primaries show otherwsie. It seems that people now have to demonize other to justify their beliefs. It seems that Clinton was very well liekd preelction and demonized in the election by thse who thought that Obama offered more incentive financially to vote for him. I fact it got to be a real contest on who could offer more economi9c advantages to who.It seemed that JFK's speech in which he said ask not what you country can do for you has changed to ask not what you can do for your country but what financially your country can do for you.This generation has their parents raising a large per centage of their children;more often financed in later years by their parents and seem to want governmant to takeover where their parents left off financailly supporting them.

 
Old 06-22-2008, 11:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by AaronK:This generation is arguably one of the worst...




Every generation has a fallen nature. There is no generation that is better than another. Only one person from the past never had a fallen nature.
 
Old 06-22-2008, 11:25 PM
 
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That has more to do with economic pressures and the promise of an earnest living relative to the degree investment. Yes, higher education has been reduced to that because they saw first hand those who came before them struggling to pay off student loans on minimum wage salaries. My sister, for instance, is very educated but cannot make decent wages from her degree in social work. To make decent wages (50k +) in that field you'd have to have a masters and pursue administrative levels instead of field work. Field work was why she went that way in the first place.
Would there be parity in education levels, you'd see different trends. Right now it's profitable to be in pharmacueticals, nursing, accounting, or car body painting shops. English & arts majors don't have commerce on their side. Trades schools like electricians are much more lucrative. I cannot tell you how many in my graduating class from high school went to college, then wound up starting landscaping businesses to make a living. Sad but that is reality. Commerce did not stand up with a living wage when they graduated. Not sure how your conservative kids went, but I'll bet $$ became an issue in their choices at some point.


They're also involved in big brother/big sister programs and habitat for humanity projects less dramatically. Not much press time given there. That's a reflection of parents who taught their children to give back to the community. Many who refrain from volunteering are cynical about having their efforts abused for power grabs. I don't blame them, they're often right about that issue.


Amen!! Glad you see the writting on the wall clearly. I happen to be of a generation caught between boomers and depression era arguing with each other- not a pleasant place to be. I have respect for both in their real contributions to the world, but neither of them wanted to believe their answers were severely limited. You cannot repair wiring problems with your favored hammer so-to-speak.
I'm thinking the problems all our generations have to solve are so complex they require more sophisticated solutions, advanced problem solving techniques, and solutions that are elegant yet comprehensive enough to cover all equally. The power struggles between special interest groups are killing us all and only leaves us vulnerable to the worst elements. Yes, a degree of socialism is appropriate IMO. How far we take it, or impose unrealistic expectations to perform beyond base levels, will determine its success/failure. Nothing will be solved when each generation is insisting they know best for everyone.

Disco duck is silly, but nothing gets my blood moving like donna summer "dim all the lights" when I'm feeling sluggish, and a few notes from herb alperts "rise" instantly brings me back in time.

Donna Summer's "Bad Girls" YES!



Now, in response to other posts, I think, no, I KNOW, it's ridiculous to call all of one generation this or that...generations consist of INDIVIDUALS.

AND generations overlap, there are no definite cut off points .

I don't think this "generation" is any worse or any better than any other...but I do feel sorry for 20 somethings and those younger....what a rotten mess they're in ....this country, this world, make me glad I'm old and won't see much more of it. I had a great life (the 70's ROCKED!) but I haven't seen much improvement...not much that got better.
 
Old 06-22-2008, 11:45 PM
 
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Many people can make the argument that the current crop of students growing into adults is one of the worst in recent times. I could think of two equally fitting names for it.

It only makes sense then to limit the activities of liberals, and destroy their "culture" that is ruining America, and ultimately the world.
That's true, but to say that the previous generations were better is silly.

What do you expect? The government takes care of people into their old age so there's really no motivation to take a serious interest in the rearing of your children to be responsible. Parents can be buddies because the government's daddy.

Why would the younger generations be decent? They are getting royally screwed by the older ones. It's contrary to nature. They should be selfish-- that's what our country has become.

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Every time I read harborlady's posts I always think I'm reading some written by a drunken Karl Marx and a brain-damaged Ralph Nader.

Why the hell does she bring up class warfare and complain about corporations in ever single thread? She isn't even insightful or witty with her tangents.
Ignore button. In my experience, she's one of about five people who do that and, when questioned, will not answer questions, but instead repeat the same thing over and over.

She's an accurate representative for the left, IMO.
 
Old 06-23-2008, 09:39 AM
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Of course every generation is going to be different. Some observations of the younger generation is that they seem to be less racist but more sexist, less respectful of their elders and more ageist, they think that after 30 they will be old and over the hill, they love their electronic gadgets and fast cars and probably will never appreciate antiques, they are phobic about body hair, they are having sex earlier in their teens.

What I am worried about parenting trends in general is that parents treat their kids as equals like little adults, they can't say no to them and they are creating legions of narcissistic people.

Anyway, I like being from the generation I came from.
 
Old 06-23-2008, 11:45 AM
 
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Default This generation is arguably one of the worst...

Just my opinion on what I see, kids are so obsesed with material things, they just got to have what Mom and Dad worked all their life to have, they know nothing about politics and care less, I don't believe they are more liberal it's just that they don't care about anything except themselves. Of course I don't mean all of them but the younger folks I deal with don't encourage me about the future.
 
Old 06-23-2008, 12:00 PM
 
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Just my opinion on what I see, kids are so obsesed with material things, they just got to have what Mom and Dad worked all their life to have, they know nothing about politics and care less, I don't believe they are more liberal it's just that they don't care about anything except themselves. Of course I don't mean all of them but the younger folks I deal with don't encourage me about the future.
They are a product of the last few generations malaise and greed. Children learn from their elders so I suppose that would mean the message our kids are receiving is the problem. Laying blame on the kids is just how the older generations make themselves feel better about the world they have created for their children to inhabit. And this goes for each new generation all the way back through time. But this generations legacy will at least include the dramatic decline of racism. Kids today are more accepting of each other than at any time in recent history. The boundaries of color are quickly receding and that is progress worth talking about. The loss of morality is unfortunate, but what can we expect when the entire world around them is nothing but sex, alcohol, drugs, and violence. The kids didn't create this way of life, they are just living it.
 
Old 06-23-2008, 12:14 PM
 
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They are a product of the last few generations malaise and greed. Children learn from their elders so I suppose that would mean the message our kids are receiving is the problem. Laying blame on the kids is just how the older generations make themselves feel better about the world they have created for their children to inhabit. And this goes for each new generation all the way back through time. But this generations legacy will at least include the dramatic decline of racism. Kids today are more accepting of each other than at any time in recent history. The boundaries of color are quickly receding and that is progress worth talking about. The loss of morality is unfortunate, but what can we expect when the entire world around them is nothing but sex, alcohol, drugs, and violence. The kids didn't create this way of life, they are just living it.
I agree.
 
Old 06-23-2008, 12:18 PM
 
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I blame the Baby Boomer generation moreso than any other. Might go down in recent history as being some of the worst parents in history as far as discipline goes. It seems they all went Conservative Christian too LoL
 
Old 06-23-2008, 12:26 PM
 
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I blame the Baby Boomer generation moreso than any other. Might go down in recent history as being some of the worst parents in history as far as discipline goes. It seems they all went Conservative Christian too LoL
Spare the rod and spoil the child is a true reference no matter what your religion. Children do need discipline. But they also need love. I think matters get out of hand when there is too much or too little of either.
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