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Old 07-03-2008, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Supporters of a proposed ban on race-based affirmative action said Thursday that they've turned in enough signatures to get the measure on the ballots in Nebraska and Arizona.

The proposed constitutional amendment would bar preferential treatment by public entities on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity or national origin.

Supporters say the measure levels the playing field, giving everyone an equal chance at every job. They say most people support the measure and want the chance to vote on it.


FOXNews.com - Affirmative Action Ban Will Be on Ballots, Group Says - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
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Old 07-03-2008, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Yup it will pass in Arizona don't know about Nebraska, yet will simply be called something else, "priority points based on race" as has been done in California. Basically it's a social trend and as long as states become more diverse so will more stringent laws be passed first on affirmative action and then several years down the road changing affirmative action to another name. The article also lists Colorado, my homestate which has an open policy of Affirmative Action which is not only open but government enforced and publicized. People seem in favor or don't care as we aren't that diverse and it only takes away a small portion of jobs/education position from the majority-Caucasians, but it's all a matter of time before it catches on.
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Old 07-03-2008, 10:17 PM
 
Location: southern california
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it will get challenged even if passes.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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I'm pretty sure it will pass in Nebraska, we have a large minority population in Omaha and we are very diverse downtown.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:37 AM
 
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I am all for the ban. Affirmative Action is one entitlement program I could never agree with. It's time to free police departments, fire departments, college and companies from lowering their standards to accept unqualified applicants. It's time to let people compete fairly. If you want to get that job or go to that school, then work hard to get there. It's time to stop using your race or sex to cut in line.

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Old 07-04-2008, 02:54 AM
 
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I am glad it got on the ballots. The opponents in every state have tried dirty tricks to keep it off the ballot but whenever it does make it on to the ballot it passes by a wide margin even though it's opponents vastly outspend it's proponents by a large amount in every state it passed.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Around Chicago
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I am all for the ban. Affirmative Action is one entitlement program I could never agree with. It's time to free police departments, fire departments, college and companies from lowering their standards to accept unqualified applicants. It's time to let people compete fairly. If you want to get that job or go to that school, then work hard to get there. It's time to stop using your race or sex to cut in line.
Exactly. All those women, blacks, Asians, and Latinos should get in line behind the white men where they truly belong. We all know that white men are qualified for every job out there.

Sounds like someone doesn't really know what affirmative action is.
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Old 07-04-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Any quota based system is a bad system. It prevents rewarding the most qualified, or best workers from rising to the top.
To hire someone simply because of race, or gender is wrong. To have a government sponcer such a program makes it more wrong still. Some might call that institutionalized discrimination.
To deny a more qualified student entrance to the college of their choice because we have to enroll a predetermined number of any race or gender is wrong. Let performance, and qualification dictate who gets hired and who gets to go to college.
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Old 07-04-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Exactly. All those women, blacks, Asians, and Latinos should get in line behind the white men where they truly belong. We all know that white men are qualified for every job out there.

Sounds like someone doesn't really know what affirmative action is.
No one as yet said don't allow minorities or women the right to have a good job. What some like myself are saying is that it is dead wrong to hire strictly based on race or sex. It should always be about the most qualified regardless of race or gender.
By the way asian men do not benefit from AF. They don't get any special consideration. Asian women do because of their gender.

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Old 07-04-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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Exactly. All those women, blacks, Asians, and Latinos should get in line behind the white men where they truly belong. We all know that white men are qualified for every job out there.

Sounds like someone doesn't really know what affirmative action is.
You realize you just defended your position with a logical fallacy?
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