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Old 07-04-2008, 09:53 PM
 
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Patriot my butt.
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:56 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Will you feel the same way when Fidel Castro goes to the Great Revolution in the Sky?
I know I will.

It really gets me how some folks assume that just because you may not think the sanctions on Cuba do any good (and may indeed do more harm than good) they automatically assume that you somehow think Castro is a good guy. It's that same "black and white", "you are either with me or against me" mentality that characterizes so many hard core Right-Wingers.

The fact is, the world is NOT "black and white". It's not divided between good and evil or right and wrong. All people and all countries (including the good ol' US of A) are some of each. The best you can reasonably hope for is to be more good than evil.

If you can manage that, you are doing pretty darned well.

Ken
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Old 07-04-2008, 10:07 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Jesse Helms was a man who stood for something and you never had to guess what that was. We need to have more honest people in government.

My son said the men he served with in the Navy had the upmost respect for Jesse Helms. He was a man they could depend on when they needed something. It is an honor to live in the county where Bro. Jesse was born. We say Bro. Jesse in an endearing term, because he is our brother in Christ.

Have a little respect for the fact that he has a family who loved him very much.

I remember that he tried to get the Senate to adopt a national language. We would be much better off if that had been done.

I also remember when he was the only senator who voted to help England when they went to war. That took a lot of character. Nobody lives a life that is all good or all bad. Jesse Helms lived a life that mattered.

May God bless and be with his friends and family.

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Old 07-04-2008, 11:07 PM
 
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Jesse Helms was a man who stood for something and you never had to guess what that was. We need to have more honest people in government.

My son said the men he served with in the Navy had the upmost respect for Jesse Helms. He was a man they could depend on when they needed something. It is an honor to live in the county where Bro. Jesse was born. We say Bro. Jesse in an endearing term, because he is our brother in Christ.

Have a little respect for the fact that he has a family who loved him very much.

I remember that he tried to get the Senate to adopt a national language. We would be much better off if that had been done.

I also remember when he was the only senator who voted to help England when they went to war. That took a lot of character. Nobody lives a life that is all good or all bad. Jesse Helms lived a life that mattered.

May God bless and be with his friends and family.
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As a television commentator before running for the Senate, Helms said, "Dr. (Martin Luther) King's outfit ... is heavily laden at the top with leaders of proven records of communism, socialism and sex perversion, as well as other curious behavior." He called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 "the single most dangerous piece of legislation ever introduced in the Congress."
If it was up to him blacks will still be riding at the back of the bus, guess he didn't feel he should treat his black brothers in Christ with dignity.

Jesse Helms: Polarizer, not a compromiser - Yahoo! News (broken link)

Btw, how would adopting a national language made us a better nation?
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:11 PM
 
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Jesse Helms was a man who stood for something and you never had to guess what that was. We need to have more honest people in government.

My son said the men he served with in the Navy had the upmost respect for Jesse Helms. He was a man they could depend on when they needed something. It is an honor to live in the county where Bro. Jesse was born. We say Bro. Jesse in an endearing term, because he is our brother in Christ.

Have a little respect for the fact that he has a family who loved him very much.

I remember that he tried to get the Senate to adopt a national language. We would be much better off if that had been done.

I also remember when he was the only senator who voted to help England when they went to war. That took a lot of character. Nobody lives a life that is all good or all bad. Jesse Helms lived a life that mattered.

May God bless and be with his friends and family.
I don't know why anyone would have respect for this man. He was a hateful, racist, and bigot period. It makes me even more embarrassed that my home state voted for him time and time again. The things he said to minorities and the gay community was pure hate, not to mention the legislation he tried to push through. If a person wants to be that way then so be it, but you shouldn't run for public office, if you aren't going to represent ALL of your constients. I guess the one's that kept voting him will never be able to figure out why people don't like him.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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Jesse Helms was a man who stood for something and you never had to guess what that was.
Unfortunately the same can be said about a lot of people, most of them not good people. Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin come to mind right away.

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Have a little respect for the fact that he has a family who loved him very much.
See above.

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I remember that he tried to get the Senate to adopt a national language. We would be much better off if that had been done.
The "only" one? Really? This "English only" idea keeps coming back pretty regularly, mostly as a wedge issue. If he was the only one who supported it, likely no one would have heard of the issue. When I look at countries that don't have one "national" language, Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, USA, I notice that they are all doing pretty darn well, socially and economically.

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I also remember when he was the only senator who voted to help England when they went to war.
Do you mean the war between England and Argentina, over the Maldives? I don't recall any vote to "support" England. Do you mean with troops? Money? Or just a general "attaboy, go get those darkies"? And I really don't remember any votes with a result of "1 to (any other number)". Just what are you talking about here? I'm too tired to google it tonight, but not too tired to just let someone spout off about something that doesn't sound right to me.

golfgod
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Will you feel the same way when Fidel Castro goes to the Great Revolution in the Sky?
I would rather have Fidel Castro around then Helms but frankly I don't give a hoot about either of them. They represent the past.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:37 PM
 
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God;what is going to be posted if teddy keeenedy dies.More or less waht many in this country have come to really.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Jesse Helms was a disgrace to the human race and the most embarrassing of white men. Here he lived in a society that gave him the greatest of considerations as a white man, and what did he do with this privilege? He lived a life of barbaric ignorance as a Southern racist and segregationalist.

Amazing that a man of his tremendous limitations and ignorance could rise to the level that he did. He should've been working coal mines in West Virginia or digging ditches in rural, remote hicksville, USA. He represented a shameful, ignorant segment of this society that continues to be a part of the problem.

His demise is cause for celebration.
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Old 07-05-2008, 12:09 AM
 
Location: One of the 50 states
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Sen Jesse Helms died this morning at age 86. He was a great patriot and a great anti-Communist. It is appropriate he died on our nation's Independence day. RIP
Old cracker azz bigots dying off...

Just attach some cement blocks to his feet and toss him in the Atlantic somewhere. He might eventually make a good coral reef.
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