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Say somebody had an inner desire to practice cannibalism. As naturally different species prefer to eat different types of meals, this person loved eating other people. He says he was born that way. In addition, cannibalism occurs in nature quite frequently. Does this justify it? Does this make cannibalism ok in our society?
Nope because no one is born any certian way, nobody is born a murderer, pedophile or any thing else, we are just born, we develope into who we are from life as we grow through experiances and behaivours around us.
Ok, a furtherance of the "rights" issue. Two topics.
1) Pedophila
In many cases of those who are born with a desire to commit this act, they have reasoned and it has in some circles shown that this person merely shows love and devotion to the child they seek. That in some cases, this child accepts them and sees these "sexual" acts as nothing more than an extension of that love.
Is this correct if the child accepts it? If for instance a 12 year old proclaims they do love the 40 year old guy that they are having sexual relations with. Is it normal? Is it acceptable if nobody is hurt and all parties agree? Think about it a while.
2) Bestiality
An owner loves their animal, shows devotion, well care and respect for their animal, yet they take part in sexual activity of the animal. The animal is not forced and willingly takes part in these activities without coaxing or force.
Is this correct and acceptable if both are consenting and no harm is committed to either parties? Think about this a while.
I don't need to think about it "a while"... because children cannot truly "consent" to sex. The child only sees the sexual act as an "extension of love" because that's what they've been TAUGHT by the pedophile. Many many children LOVE the perp, which is why it's all that much more disgusting, because the perp is taking advantage of the love. Children who equate sex with love are taught that early on.
Same with animals, since they are not capable of understanding what they're being subjected to. No true consent there either.
Kids aren't old enough to make informed, intelligent decisions about a lot of things. Being molested or overly "loved" by pedophiles can leave them scarred for life.
Odd, because in many claims of recent issues (some political attempts), the younger generation is being claimed to be more and more resilient, more able to make decisions. Heck, California wanted to lower the age of voting to start at 14 because they thought they were so well adapted and able to decide on issues.
Here is the thing, there have been cases of some "youths" that would disagree with you. They claim they knew what they were doing and they accepted and appreciated the love they received from these individuals. So you are claiming they are wrong? Did they lose their rights? Are you infringing on their ability to choose what they want? They believe it to be natural and normal. They see it as merely love between two people, a love apparently you think you have the authority to condemn, to dictate. In their eyes, you are hateful, judgmental, and discriminatory.
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Hmmmm... If the animal likes it and voluntarily participates, it's still really weird and gross and creepy but I wouldn't necessarily classify it as "evil."
Wait, you presume to speak for a youth on the subject (who is by far more intelligent and cognizant of reality and the situation than an animal), yet you have no problems accepting someones use of an animal even when the animal can't even tell you if they honestly like it or not?
Thats interesting. Almost sounds like a complete double standard, is it?
Nope because no one is born any certian way, nobody is born a murderer, pedophile or any thing else, we are just born, we develope into who we are from life as we grow through experiances and behaivours around us.
No one is born with any predisposition whatsoever? How do you figure?
Are either kids or animals in any position to legally grant consent? This is where age of consent laws come in and they take into account when a person is mature enough to understand the subject at hand and communicate their understanding, and thus legally grant consent.
Ahh, so it is merely a matter of law then? So you would be ok with it if the majority decided it was acceptable? If the laws said "Hey, no problem" you would be fine with it? I guess that right and wrong is merely a matter of who has the most votes then right?
I don't need to think about it "a while"... because children cannot truly "consent" to sex. The child only sees the sexual act as an "extension of love" because that's what they've been TAUGHT by the pedophile. Many many children LOVE the perp, which is why it's all that much more disgusting, because the perp is taking advantage of the love. Children who equate sex with love are taught that early on.
Same with animals, since they are not capable of understanding what they're being subjected to. No true consent there either.
So say you. Who are you to decide that a child is not fit? I can show you children that would make your understanding look like you walked off the short bus, and yet you feel the need to proclaim all children "too dumb to know what they really want" because you decide? You do realize there are children out there that would make you look like a drooling fool in anything you attempted to contest them with? I am glad you have it all figured out and can decide for everyone what is acceptable and what is not. Seems like more of a double standard being proposed to me.
Ahh, so it is merely a matter of law then? So you would be ok with it if the majority decided it was acceptable? If the laws said "Hey, no problem" you would be fine with it? I guess that right and wrong is merely a matter of who has the most votes then right?
In our society it is a matter of law. If there is a compelling reason to change the law, I'm all for it. Viewing things in terms of "right" and "wrong" is insufficient, imo. Viewing things in terms of "good" or "bad", in terms of effect, is far better because whether something is good or bad, advantageous or disadvantageous, can be at least qualified or quantified using fairly rational criteria. "Right" and "Wrong" are far more slippery.
researchers can give their opinion but there is no way to prove it.
What makes you think that there is no way to prove it? Perhaps at this time we lack a way to prove but it doesn't mean that it won't be possible to do so in the future.
Nope because no one is born any certian way, nobody is born a murderer, pedophile or any thing else, we are just born, we develope into who we are from life as we grow through experiances and behaivours around us.
I bet there are some people in the homosexual community who would fight you over this statement. Most claim they were born "gay" and have always been that way. I, on the other hand, feel it is more a lifestyle choice made at some point in their lives. But I don't know this for sure because as you stated, it can't be proven either way.
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