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Old 07-11-2008, 05:52 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Are you in support of the Libertarian view of no social programs?
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Completely zero social programs will cause too many people to starve and freeze on the street, but I do think that there is too much babying and spending in the government now.

Less of a role, but a role nonetheless.
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:25 AM
 
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Old 07-11-2008, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Generally, using religious sources to justify political policy is frowned upon.

At least in theory...
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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Completely zero social programs will cause too many people to starve and freeze on the street, but I do think that there is too much babying and spending in the government now.

Less of a role, but a role nonetheless.
I agree wholeheartedly, there needs to be a safety net but a limited one, and for a limited time with few exceptions.

We encourage people to be dependent on the system here, too much...
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:29 AM
 
Location: New York City
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^ example?
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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^ example?
Of people being too dependent on government intervention?

Restricting healthcare for one thing.
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:38 AM
 
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Anyone know any books to recommend for me to read on this topic?
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Anyone know any books to recommend for me to read on this topic?
Well a good place to start is an economics textbook, where they give you pretty graphs where they point to the areas of loss due to intervention.
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:46 AM
 
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I don’t think that social programs should be a question of politics or economics, but rather a fundamental policy of society of affording basic human decencies for all people. Ruskin, in one of his essays, most eloquently expressed it thus:

"And if, on due and honest thought over these things, it seems that the kind of existence to which men are now summoned by every plea of pity and claim of right, may, for some time at least, not be a luxurious one; - consider whether, even supposing it guiltless, luxury would be desired by any of us, if we saw clearly at our sides the suffering which accompanies it in the world. Luxury is indeed possible in the future - innocent and exquisite; luxury for all, and by the help of all; but luxury at present can only be enjoyed by the ignorant; the cruelest man living could not sit at his feast, unless he sat blindfold. Raise the veil boldly; face the light; and if, as yet, the light of the eye can only be through tears, and the light of the body through sackcloth, go thou forth weeping, bearing precious seed, until the time come, and the kingdom, when Christ's gift of bread, and bequest of peace, shall be ‘Unto this last as unto thee’; and when, for earth's severed multitudes of the wicked and the weary, there shall be holier reconciliation than that of the narrow home, and calm economy, where the Wicked cease - not from trouble, but from troubling - and the Weary are at rest."

- John Ruskin, "Ad Valorem," Cornhill Magazine (1860); reprinted as Unto This Last
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