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Old 07-15-2008, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Welfare is only unconstitutional when applied to providing basic food and shelter for poor people. It is perfectly constitutional when applied to providing cost-plus contracts to the military industrial complex and Blackwater mercenaries.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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The Constitution doesn't explicitly ban welfare, and since there are laws for it, it's ok.
If it's not in the Constitution, then it's unconstitutional for the Fed.

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The founding fathers had slaves to work for them.
Yeah, Ben Franklin was crazy into slaves... When he wasn't promoting abolition... Read more; talk less.

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UBJ... sad thing is that we have no choice.. we cut them off, they resort to crime.
Build bigger prisons and better schools.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:57 AM
 
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Thomas Jefferson, who wrote that "all men are created equal," owned over 600 slaves in his lifetime.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:04 AM
 
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Thomas Jefferson, who wrote that "all men are created equal," owned over 600 slaves in his lifetime.
I knnnnoooowwwwww, silly! That means that "some" of the Founding Fathers owned slaves... not "the" Founding Fathers as if universal.

Jefferson's phrasing means nothing to his possession of slaves. All men are created equal... and blacks were the losers in a natural war. It was the best of times... it was the worst of times... slavery was considered acceptable by many and the slaves didn't do enough to get themselves out of it. When there is war, you fight or lose. They lost.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:05 AM
 
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All men are not created equal, they are equal under the law.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:08 AM
 
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All men are not created equal, they are equal under the law.
Context. Think... context.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:16 AM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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The Constitution doesn't explicitly ban welfare, and since there are laws for it, it's ok.
The Constitution also doesn't grant anybody the right to receive welfare. Sure, promoting the general welfare is Constitutional, but that is completely separate from the public assistance definition of welfare, which is what this topic is about.

Providing temporary assistance for those who are struggling is fine. However, the problem is that it has been allowed to be made into a permanent form of income for many people. There are numerous people who are basically baby making machines, and keep collecting checks from Uncle Sam. That's my money & yours to support these promiscuous individuals who don't have enough sense to use birth control. There is no Constitutional right to breed, and there's no Constitutional right to live on public assistance.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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seems to me government has progressed into an institution set up mainly to sustain itself.
If we really wanted to both keep government spending down and "help' the poor, why not just send each family a check for about $30,000 a year(Betting it costs more than that to administrate the programs designed to keep them poor)

Oooops...that wasn't the question.

Created equal in the right to pursuit life, liberty and happiness.
Not to assure any of the above,is my take on it.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:57 AM
 
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Welfare is only unconstitutional when applied to providing basic food and shelter for poor people. It is perfectly constitutional when applied to providing cost-plus contracts to the military industrial complex and Blackwater mercenaries.

This was in my op:

These is right outta our Constitution, so if we can keep this apolitical(Yeah right, I wish) and answer my question objectively I'd really appreciate it and it would speak volumes about our civility. So what say you?

Everyone chose to honor and respect my request: everyone save one, you. Way to make everything always political. Good job!
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Transition Island
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The Constitution also doesn't grant anybody the right to receive welfare. Sure, promoting the general welfare is Constitutional, but that is completely separate from the public assistance definition of welfare, which is what this topic is about.

Providing temporary assistance for those who are struggling is fine. However, the problem is that it has been allowed to be made into a permanent form of income for many people. There are numerous people who are basically baby making machines, and keep collecting checks from Uncle Sam. That's my money & yours to support these promiscuous individuals who don't have enough sense to use birth control. There is no Constitutional right to breed, and there's no Constitutional right to live on public assistance.
Where would all the non-profit and social service agencies who thrive on this population be if we were to ensure that baby making machines would cease to exist?? Come on now-you must know that America needs these poor populations to justify the grant money for their livlihood. Just another way to make money off of people who are less fortunate and for one who is in the field, believe me they are not interested in losing their paycheck. May the unfortunate populations continue to exist!!
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