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Old 07-15-2008, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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HUNTSVILLE, Ala. — By day, the engineers work on NASA's new Ares moon rockets. By night, some go undercover to work on a competing design.
These dissenting scientists and their backers insist they have created an alternative rocket that would be safer, cheaper and easier to build than the two Ares spacecraft that will replace the space shuttle.
Speaking of "black holes" , check out this story re NASA's new multi-billion $$$ boondoggle! NASA's budget is a major "black hole" in the Federal budget/deficit and I strongly favor that NASA be privatized and cut loose from the government feeding trough!

FOXNews.com - Moonlighting NASA Engineers Say They've Created a Rocket Better Than NASA's - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Not hard to believe. NASA is killed by GOV mandates and redundancy. Paper work is more important than actual progress. Not to mention every politician and his brother have to get their share of the pie.
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Old 07-15-2008, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Unfortunately NASA has replaced space science and exploration with industrial welfare just like most of the Pentagon procurement system. We have to replace the political distribution of jobs and profit with proper cost/reliability/availability bidding amongst private contractors to provide the hardware. Space and military hardware are not natural monopolies and should be left to the private sector. The launch facilities should be and are (for the pentagon - the wars) natural monopolies and should be open to private endeavors.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Unfortunately NASA has replaced space science and exploration with industrial welfare just like most of the Pentagon procurement system. We have to replace the political distribution of jobs and profit with proper cost/reliability/availability bidding amongst private contractors to provide the hardware. Space and military hardware are not natural monopolies and should be left to the private sector. The launch facilities should be and are (for the pentagon - the wars) natural monopolies and should be open to private endeavors.
NASA is an undeclared branch of the Dept of Defense; always was, always will be. NASA does not take on "any" projects that don't have military implications. DOD budget $$$ are buried in the NASA budget so the percentage of GDP that goes to the military is significantly higher than the budget numbers would indicate. The corporate welfare State of Florida would dry up like a prune if NASA were to be privatized. I would surely like to see NASA go private, but the military is not going to give up their "money laundry" and the politicians are not going to give up their "earmarks" which grease their rails to Congress!
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Old 07-15-2008, 01:16 PM
 
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Hello? Wonder what JFK would think of this thread? Personally, I find it offensive. My father worked in the areospace industry- he and his team team of engineers first coined the term "telemetry" way back in 1956. Judging from the number of states I grew up in and the number of different companies my father worked for, I would say that the private sector has been involved from the get-go.
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania USA
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Hello? Wonder what JFK would think of this thread? Personally, I find it offensive. My father worked in the areospace industry- he and his team team of engineers first coined the term "telemetry" way back in 1956. Judging from the number of states I grew up in and the number of different companies my father worked for, I would say that the private sector has been involved from the get-go.
The NASA of your father's day and the NASA of today are like day and night. What once was an organization dedicated to space exploration and pushing past the boundaries of earth, has become a political "grab bag" for the influence peddlers and money bundlers in DC! Yes, it is very sad, unfortunately, all things government become a retort for cronyism and power building.
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Old 07-16-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: PA
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Unfortunately NASA has replaced space science and exploration with industrial welfare just like most of the Pentagon procurement system. We have to replace the political distribution of jobs and profit with proper cost/reliability/availability bidding amongst private contractors to provide the hardware. Space and military hardware are not natural monopolies and should be left to the private sector. The launch facilities should be and are (for the pentagon - the wars) natural monopolies and should be open to private endeavors.

Um I'm confused I you saying government doesnt work and having blank checks to solve issues and get things done in government didnt work. What if Obama said he would use Nasa to fix the "global warming" problem would you be in favor of it? Or will you suddenly believe in miltary and space projects for the socialist movement. Private sectors will always get things done better you should remember that before you pull the lever for more government politics.
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:27 AM
 
Location: South Central PA
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Speaking of "black holes" , check out this story re NASA's new multi-billion $$$ boondoggle! NASA's budget is a major "black hole" in the Federal budget/deficit and I strongly favor that NASA be privatized and cut loose from the government feeding trough!
A significant portion of the NASA budget is full of pet projects by congress. If you want efficiency out of the agency, eliminated congress and it will do significantly better.

Pork threatens NASA plans: Congress' pet projects take $3 billion from budget: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science...asa-pork_x.htm
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Cut foreign aid and fund these guys..
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Heh, this popped up in my feed.

Interesting how perspectives have changed. This was 2008 - before SpaceX had gotten anything into orbit.

Now SpaceX are launching reusable boosters at cut-rate prices every 2-3 weeks like clockwork, Ares I has been flat-out canceled and NASA is struggling with the re-animated corpse of Ares V known as "SLS" to keep the Shuttle suppliers in government money.

In the meantime, Boeing and SpaceX are getting ready to launch astronauts again and SpaceX is manufacturing the first components for the BFR down at the San Pedro harbor.

Interesting times when it comes to space...
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