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So now we're to believe they're a grave threat. I'm no fan of Iran in the slightest...but gimme a break. I've stated this in the sister thread to this one: all the US needs is an excuse (justification or whatever you choose to call it) to go to war with Iran...why would Iran blatantly provide this excuse? (And I don't mean the constant and useless saber-rattling.)
I dont think USA will hit Iran I imagine it will be Israel with our blessing that we will back them up just incase another country gets involved .
Man-The warmongers are trying everything to put the fear of God in the American People. Iran is no threat to America. Iran is a threat to Israel. To get all Americans on board to kill and take over another sovereign country, control by fear. Once the lie is accepted as truth, then the threat to the other country can be blurred as the threat to America.
One day there will be a threat to America, it will be a payback, for the criminal,corrupt, foreign policies we've placed on countries in the past/future.
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The top USA general in the region agrees with you so your in good company but Israel wants Iran hit and they are going to do it soon enough.
Infact the 4 star General "warned" Israel not to start trouble but in the end if they want to strike Iran they will and imagine they will before Bush leaves office with his blessing and the 4 star will shut his mouth and fall in line .
However, Bush has now sent a representative, US Undersecretary of State William Burns, to Iran to participate in discussions along with representatives from Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia. Iran needs to be cooperative too, having already rejected overtures initiated by the other nations.
Yes, apparently "we don't negotiate with terrorists" went out of the White House script somewhere along the line. We should have been talking with Iran all along. This administration's petulant loyalty to doofus dogma has done us all a great disservice once again.
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Originally Posted by NewToCA
From Burns in recent testimony to Congress:
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Seems pretty reasonable and accurate to me....but....resume fuming.
Probably because it is pretty reasonable and accurate. Iran's concerns about its neighbors and its security in the region are generally mirrored in the concerns over Iran of its neighbors and the region. Idiotic hissy-fitting by Bush has not helped matters however, nor does the mindless rhetoric of the Peanut Gallery Bomb Iran Brigade...
Acts of War AP photo / Brennan Linsley Members of the Iranian resistance group Mujahadeen-e Khalk, or MEK, guard a road leading to the group’s main training camp, watched over by a U.S. Army Abrams tank in background, near Baqubah in north-central Iraq.
By Scott Ritter
The war between the United States and Iran is on. American taxpayer dollars are being used, with the permission of Congress, to fund activities that result in Iranians being killed and wounded, and Iranian property destroyed. This wanton violation of a nation’s sovereignty would not be tolerated if the tables were turned and Americans were being subjected to Iranian-funded covert actions that took the lives of Americans, on American soil, and destroyed American property and livelihood. Many Americans remain unaware of what is transpiring abroad in their name. Many of those who are cognizant of these activities are supportive of them, an outgrowth of misguided sentiment which holds Iran accountable for a list of grievances used by the U.S. government to justify the ongoing global war on terror. Iran, we are told, is not just a nation pursuing nuclear weapons, but is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world today.
Much of the information behind this is being promulgated by Israel, which has a vested interest in seeing Iran neutralized as a potential threat. But Israel is joined by another source, even more puzzling in terms of its broad-based acceptance in the world of American journalism: the Mujahadeen-e Khalk, or MEK, an Iranian opposition group sworn to overthrow the theocracy in Tehran. The CIA today provides material support to the actions of the MEK inside Iran. The recent spate of explosions in Iran, including a particularly devastating “accident” involving a military convoy transporting ammunition in downtown Tehran, appears to be linked to an MEK operation; its agents working inside munitions manufacturing plants deliberately are committing acts of sabotage which lead to such explosions. If CIA money and planning support are behind these actions, the agency’s backing constitutes nothing less than an act of war on the part of the United States against Iran.
The MEK traces its roots back to the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeg. Formed among students and intellectuals, the MEK emerged in the 1960s as a serious threat to the reign of Reza Shah Pahlevi. Facing brutal repression from the Shah’s secret police, the SAVAK, the MEK became expert at blending into Iranian society, forming a cellular organizational structure which made it virtually impossible to eradicate. The MEK membership also became adept at gaining access to positions of sensitivity and authority. When the Shah was overthrown in 1978, the MEK played a major role and for a while worked hand in glove with the Islamic Revolution in crafting a post-Shah Iran. In 1979 the MEK had a central role in orchestrating the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, and holding 55 Americans hostage for 444 days.
However, relations between the MEK and the Islamic regime in Tehran soured, and after the MEK staged a bloody coup attempt in 1981, all ties were severed and the two sides engaged in a violent civil war. Revolutionary Guard members who were active at that time have acknowledged how difficult it was to fight the MEK. In the end, massive acts of arbitrary arrest, torture and executions were required to break the back of mainstream MEK activity in Iran, although even the Revolutionary Guard today admits the MEK remains active and is virtually impossible to completely eradicate.
It is this stubborn ability to survive and operate inside Iran, at a time when no other intelligence service can establish and maintain a meaningful agent network there, which makes the MEK such an asset to nations such as the United States and Israel. The MEK is able to provide some useful intelligence; however, its overall value as an intelligence resource is negatively impacted by the fact that it is the sole source of human intelligence in Iran. As such, the group has taken to exaggerating and fabricating reports to serve its own political agenda. In this way, there is little to differentiate the MEK from another Middle Eastern expatriate opposition group, the Iraqi National Congress, or INC, which infamously supplied inaccurate intelligence to the United States and other governments and helped influence the U.S. decision to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein. Today, the MEK sees itself in a similar role, providing sole-sourced intelligence to the United States and Israel in an effort to facilitate American military operations against Iran and, eventually, to overthrow the Islamic regime in Tehran.
The current situation concerning the MEK would be laughable if it were not for the violent reality of that organization’s activities. Upon its arrival in Iraq in 1986, the group was placed under the control of Saddam Hussein’s Mukhabarat, or intelligence service. The MEK was a heavily militarized organization and in 1988 participated in division-size military operations against Iran. The organization represents no state and can be found on the U.S. State Department’s list of terrorist organizations, yet since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, the MEK has been under the protection of the U.S. military. Its fighters are even given “protected status” under the Geneva Conventions. The MEK says its members in Iraq are refugees, not terrorists. And yet one would be hard-pressed to find why the 1951 Geneva Convention on Refugees should confer refugee status on an active paramilitary organization that uses “refugee camps” inside Iraq as its bases.
The MEK is behind much of the intelligence being used by the International Atomic Energy Agency in building its case that Iran may be pursuing (or did in fact pursue in the past) a nuclear weapons program. The complexity of the MEK-CIA relationship was recently underscored by the agency’s acquisition of a laptop computer allegedly containing numerous secret documents pertaining to an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Much has been made about this computer and its contents. The United States has led the charge against Iran within international diplomatic circles, citing the laptop information as the primary source proving Iran’s ongoing involvement in clandestine nuclear weapons activity. Of course, the information on the computer, being derived from questionable sources (i.e., the MEK and the CIA, both sworn enemies of Iran) is controversial and its veracity is questioned by many, including me.
I thnik all you have to do is listen to waht Irans leaders say;not too hard. Its is just like before WWii when so many pacifist thought they coud deal with Hitler.Every western nation realises the dangewr of having a nuclear Iran with their leadership; otherwsie they wouldn't be willing to compensate Iran.All intelligence is quetionable but direct threats must be taken seriously;because the world has suffered the consequences of not doing so many times in teh past.Like at pearl harbor and 9-11 your never going to get the smoking gun until it actually is smoking after the fact.
What do you think Iran thought when they were called out in front of the World as part of an "Axis of Evil" that existed only in George Bush's head. If you were Iranian, think that would have pissed you off a bit?
What do you think Iran thought when they were called out in front of the World as part of an "Axis of Evil" that existed only in George Bush's head. If you were Iranian, think that would have pissed you off a bit?
Think outside the box.
No, given the context of the speech and Iran's support of terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah it's more of a question that if the shoe fits...
If they did try, we'd so completely wipe Iran off the map that it wouldn't be amusing.
You overestimate U.S military power as well as the consequences and there are important countries that have an economical interest in Iran. Iran is an old nation and not a British modern creation like Iraq.
Having said that it's unnecessary to even consider Iran as a danger. Iran will disintegrate from within as did the Soviet Union. It's a matter of time and it should not be forced upon the Iranian people who are the most moderate in the region.
The world feared U.S under Bush, but ultimately the danger lies in the neo-conservative foreign policy supported by AIPAC and their allies. Luckily more people have understood there's a hidden agenda which doesn't serve the American people. Nothing might change with Obama except maybe that Americans traveling abroad won't need to call themselves Canadian. Ron Paul would have been best when it comes to foreign policy.
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AP photo / Brennan Linsley Members of the Iranian resistance group Mujahadeen-e Khalk, or MEK, guard a road leading to the group’s main training camp, watched over by a U.S. Army Abrams tank in background, near Baqubah in north-central Iraq. 
