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It's a totalitarian socialist police state, with all citizens servants or employees of the central government. The only difference is the scale.
China is less socialist than the United States when it comes to small business. The US has higher corporate tax rates and more regulations. China's private industry makes up 2/3 of its GDP, which I believe is higher than the US. You are speaking about China 20 years ago. May I suggest putting down your history book and looking around for a change?
China has no ambitions of spreading its idealogy around the world or annexing land like the Nazis or the Soviet Union did.
I don't know, perhaps his little "Wow" comment and the theme of the rest of his/her statements?
Notice, I didn't exactly disagree with what was written however I know dozens of people who have visited China and thought it was a dump.
Much of what China has accomplished in terms of technology has been stolen from America anway. They've been around a lot longer than we have, how come we beat them to the moon?
Anyway, why must assertions about China's supposed overtaking of America's dominance be interpreted as America's DOWNFALL and not just the fact that we would be #2???
China is indeed a dump. I've been there many times -- outside of the showcase areas.
As long as we're eating steak and the Chinese are eating rice with moth cocoons on top, there is no danger of them overtaking anyone.
China is less socialist than the United States when it comes to small business. The US has higher corporate tax rates and more regulations. China's private industry makes up 2/3 of its GDP, which I believe is higher than the US. You are speaking about China 20 years ago. May I suggest putting down your history book and looking around for a change?
The PLA runs most industries. Taxation has nothing to do with socialism in this context (perhaps there is a whif of the Ronulan in your comment?). China today is China 20 uears ago only much more polluted and with stricter controls on information and travel. I was there last year. You?
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China has no ambitions of spreading its idealogy around the world or annexing land like the Nazis or the Soviet Union did.
1. Since when do you speak for the Chinese government?
2. Ask Tibet, Vietnam, Japan and Tawain about China's territorial ambitions.
[quote=Yeledaf;4842800]It's easy to "steal" people who are desperate to escape from the Russians.
Notice that you didn't challenge the point. Stealing is stealing. Didn't say it wasn't a win-win for the US and these scientists. I'm quite pleased we recruited them. Didn't hurt that we threatened them with imprisonment, death, or deportation if they refused. But at least we didn't succumb to slave labor techniques like the Chinese do.
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Baloney. China practices old-fashioned mercantilism, replete with a devalued currency and tight controls on imports. There is no "initiative", just a rerun of 19th century sweatshops and slave labor camps.
The Yuan seems to be doing just fine against the dollar, esp after partially depegging. Coincidence?
The PLA runs most industries. Taxation has nothing to do with socialsim in this context. China today is China 20 uears ago only much more polluted and with stricter controls on information and travel. I was there last year. You?
I was there twice speaking in an academic conference in the data mining field as well as for work business. Our personal experiences would differ, as well as your nationalistic bias.
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1. Since when do you speak for the Chinese government?
2. Ask Tibet, Vietnam, Japan and Tawain about China's territorial ambitions.
I don't speak for the Chinese government. I don't see Jintao yelling about war with America as Hitler did.
Your pathetic attempts at pigeonholing every leader into that cwazy Austrian nutcase are noted.
[quote=ViewFromThePeak;4842878]Notice that you didn't challenge the point. Stealing is stealing. Didn't say it wasn't a win-win for the US and these scientists. I'm quite pleased we recruited them. Didn't hurt that we threatened them with imprisonment, death, or deportation if they refused. But at least we didn't succumb to slave labor techniques like the Chinese do.
Offering asylum to citizens of a defeated fascist regime and benefitting form their expertise is hardly "stealing." It was largely humanitarian with beaucoup serendipitous benefits.
Von Braun et al needed very little "threatening." Nor did the thoursands of German and Italian POWs who elected to stay in America and become citiznes after the war.
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The Yuan seems to be doing just fine against the dollar, esp after partially depegging. Coincidence?
"Partial", indeed. As I've posted elsewhere, the Chinese are happy with bugs on rice. Wait till they want to eat human food....
I was there twice speaking in an academic conference in the data mining field as well as for work business. Our personal experiences would differ, as well as your nationalistic bias.
Try Googloing "Tibet" in Beijing. QED.
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I don't speak for the Chinese government. I don't see Jintao yelling about war with America as Hitler did.
Your pathetic attempts at pigeonholing every leader into that cwazy Austrian nutcase are noted.
There is nothing "pathetic" about realism in the face of China's goal of world hegemony. Her internal manipulation of her people and her aggressive acts toward the outside world are reminescent of nothing so much as the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. Nazi Germany was one of them. It is "pathetic" to deny that...
Offering asylum to citizens of a defeated fascist regime and benefitting form their expertise is hardly "stealing." It was largely humanitarian with beaucoup serendipitous benefits.
Von Braun et al needed very little "threatening." Nor did the thoursands of German and Italian POWs who elected to stay in America and become citiznes after the war.
Offering asylum to POWs held by Americans isn't stealing. Nor is it slave labor. Of course not. The alternative to working, imprisonment for life simply for doing what the German leaders ordered them to do is perfectly legitimate
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"Partial", indeed. As I've posted elsewhere, the Chinese are happy with bugs on rice. Wait till they want to eat human food....
Oh, I'm still waiting. Meanwhile, have you seen how US assets such as real estate is holding up versus Chinese real estate? How about the currency (sand 2 week dead cat bounce)? How about growth? Wow, we can't get no love
Meh. Tibet. Northern Ireland. Kashmir, Falkland Islands. I suppose Indians and the UK fall under the same category? Dang, just when I was beginning to like Tikka Masala and fish & chips.
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There is nothing "pathetic" about realism in the face of China's goal of world hegemony. Her internal manipulation of her people and her aggressive acts toward the outside world are reminescent of nothing so much as the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. Nazi Germany was one of them. It is "pathetic" to deny that...
Everyone wants to rule the world. America just wants to do it via proxy. We're not different than the Soviet Union in a way. We think our form of government is the best thing since sliced bread, its one size fits all, and everyone should try it, either through convincing them or grungingly by force.
Korea and Taiwan looked kind of ugly 30 years ago but now their cities are booming. I have seen the ugly poor areas of China and they are rapidly changing also. Give them a few more years and they will overtake our economy.
(I am not happy about it but accept it)
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