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Israeli spies obtained ultra-sensitive data on not only how the US and UK were able to track Russian submarines, but why they were able to do so.
They traded it to the Russians for exit-visas for Russian Jews.
Because Reagan refused to give the Israelis a Cray Super II, the Israelis spies stole data on terrain guided cruise missiles.
Then there's 9-11. 100s of Israeli spies in the US illegally who just happened to be living blocks away from the apartment of Mohammed Atta and crew in Sarasota, Florida. And the 5 Israeli spies working for a "moving company" who just happened to have their moving van parked in the parking lot of an apartment complex across the river and in plain view of the WTC. And they just happened to be standing on the roof of the moving van. And they just happened to have a video camera. And it just happened to be mounted on a tripod. And they just happened to be there at 8:35 AM. And three of them just happened to appear on Israeli TV a few months later claiming "Our purpose was to document the event."
With allies like Israel, the US doesn't need any enemies.
This reminds me of that ubiquitous sign: "if you lived here, you'd be home by now"
If you lived in America, you'd be on a terrorist watch list by now.
Israeli spies obtained ultra-sensitive data on not only how the US and UK were able to track Russian submarines, but why they were able to do so.
They traded it to the Russians for exit-visas for Russian Jews.
Well, the evil empire and everything. If you help make the Soviets stronger, you can fleece the taxpayer for even more money to justify pork military projects.
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Because Reagan refused to give the Israelis a Cray Super II, the Israelis spies stole data on terrain guided cruise missiles.
How do you know this wasn't a form of "foreign aid" that dosn't have to be on the books?
God Bless Reagan for standing up to the parasite Israel lobby on occassion. He definitely earned a spot in heaven for that.
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Then there's 9-11. 100s of Israeli spies in the US illegally who just happened to be living blocks away from the apartment of Mohammed Atta and crew in Sarasota, Florida. And the 5 Israeli spies working for a "moving company" who just happened to have their moving van parked in the parking lot of an apartment complex across the river and in plain view of the WTC. And they just happened to be standing on the roof of the moving van. And they just happened to have a video camera. And it just happened to be mounted on a tripod. And they just happened to be there at 8:35 AM. And three of them just happened to appear on Israeli TV a few months later claiming "Our purpose was to document the event."
Can't wait for the people trying to fit you as a black helicopter tin foil hat wearing paranoid dude.
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With allies like Israel, the US doesn't need any enemies.
Israel is a useful idiot for politicians garnering votes from snake charming devil tongued pastors and his useful idiots.
Israeli spies obtained ultra-sensitive data on not only how the US and UK were able to track Russian submarines, but why they were able to do so.
They traded it to the Russians for exit-visas for Russian Jews.
Because Reagan refused to give the Israelis a Cray Super II, the Israelis spies stole data on terrain guided cruise missiles.
Then there's 9-11. 100s of Israeli spies in the US illegally who just happened to be living blocks away from the apartment of Mohammed Atta and crew in Sarasota, Florida. And the 5 Israeli spies working for a "moving company" who just happened to have their moving van parked in the parking lot of an apartment complex across the river and in plain view of the WTC. And they just happened to be standing on the roof of the moving van. And they just happened to have a video camera. And it just happened to be mounted on a tripod. And they just happened to be there at 8:35 AM. And three of them just happened to appear on Israeli TV a few months later claiming "Our purpose was to document the event."
With allies like Israel, the US doesn't need any enemies.
Pretty strong claims there, where are your links supporting (1) the trade of secrets to Russia for exit visas and (2) that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks?
Mearsheim and Walt mentioned the Russian intelligence issue on Pg 6 of their paper, but only as a "suspected" activity, not validated.
Pretty strong claims there, where are your links supporting (1) the trade of secrets to Russia for exit visas and (2) that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks?
Mearsheim and Walt mentioned the Russian intelligence issue on Pg 6 of their paper, but only as a "suspected" activity, not validated.
I can't speak for Cray supercomputers or Russian secrets, but it's known about the Mossad (sp?) dealy. The "Dancin' 5" as they're called. 3 of those 5 were on Israeli TV mentioning that they were documenting the incident, and eyewitnesses saw them celebrating when the plane hit (as they were recording).
Mircea did not explicitly say that Israel was in any way behind the attacks. It is perfectly legitimate to conclude, however, that Israel agents knew about it and the powers that be (the ones they report to) might be hardcore warmongerers in the Israeli parliament who would want escalated US presence in the Middle East and even more social welfare. Under those conditions, it's all too tempting to keep quiet and just look on and cheer knowing that America will come to the rescue.
It's beautiful though (in a odious way). Enough 9/11 conspiracy nuts have posted this information and falsely blame Bush and the general Jewish "illuminati" for this crime to maintain plausible deniability (just label anyone who remotely believes that Israel had ANY knowledge of this type of attack ahead of time as nuts). Any rational person can figure that it is not a Jewish conspiracy or a Bush inside job, but rather it is a particular neo-con flavor of Israeli government who believes that "in order to make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs." A small section of subhuman liberal neo-cons who played masters of the universe with US civilian lives. I'm certain that in their twisted minds, the deaths of 3000 people would be justified by a stronger US-Israeli alliance as a consequence and massive US retaliation, all to benefit the country's cause. This is not unlike rationale for dropping a bomb on Hiroshima/Nagasaki to "save lives" in the long run.
At least, this is my interpretation. Mircea, do you agree or do you have another theory? I can only assume that you aren't a 9/11 conspiracy nut, but just have reservations with Israel spying on us as our supposed ally.
Those who don't agree can choose to do so, but I figure there's a preconceived support once again reinforced by bleeding heart liberal Gentile guilt, and no rational argument behind debunking this theory. If it makes you feel better, replicate what your feel good liberal Berkeley friends do and label me a racist.
LOL. Believeing confidence men is not something I've learned to do just yet. They can say it will continue all they want, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
And just saying that Bob Barr () will be the next president doesn't make it any less absurd to expect that he will.
But we digress.
Be sure to let us all know when the next president cuts off ties with Israel.
And just saying that Bob Barr () will be the next president doesn't make it any less absurd to expect that he will.
But we digress.
Be sure to let us all know when the next president cuts off ties with Israel.
That would be a nice comeback, provided that I actually said Barr would be the next president. But what else would I expect from a bleeding heart liberal race baiter?
Yes, we do digress.
Ties to Israel will be cut off the moment the snake charming and liberal Gentile guilt voter base is usurped by people who actually give a damn about fiscal responsibility, and not a moment later. God bless lawmakers for already considering to cease and desist with civilian aid now as a precedent.
I still find it hilarious you believe either of these con men. That's definitely going to stick with me.
That would be a nice comeback, provided that I actually said Barr would be the next president. But what else would I expect from a bleeding heart liberal race baiter?
Yes, we do digress.
Ties to Israel will be cut off the moment the snake charming and liberal Gentile guilt voter base is usurped by people who actually give a damn about fiscal responsibility, and not a moment later. God bless lawmakers for already considering to cease and desist with civilian aid now as a precedent.
I still find it hilarious you believe either of these con men. That's definitely going to stick with me.
Hilarious? Why? I believe them as much as I believe every President since 1948. When it comes to support for Israel, that belief seems pretty reasonable -- given the evidence of the past 60 years.
After all, isn't the point of your argument that we should end our commitments to Israel? And doesn't that argument pretty much stand on the fact that such a commitment exists?
The one with a belief problem here would seem to be you, since you are expressing a lack of faith in your own premises. If either Obama or McCain is lying about backing Israel, why should you be concerned? Wouldn't that mean that you will have achieved your goals?
p.s. "Race-baiter?" Hello, out there in left field...
Hilarious? Why? I believe them as much as I believe every President since 1948. When it comes to support for Israel, that belief seems pretty reasonable -- given the evidence of the past 60 years.
Israel was a rathole 60 years ago. It's changed a bit and is a much more sophisticated and modern society. They need zero money now. Just glad someone in Washington is starting to realize that.
Again, necessity is the mother of invention, and America has been known to respond very rapidly to change when something reaches a crisis point. A budget crisis looming ahead in the form of 53T of unfunded liabilities makes choking off all foreign aid all but inevitable.
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After all, isn't the point of your argument that we should end our commitments to Israel? And doesn't that argument pretty much stand on the fact that such a commitment exists?
Of course.
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The one with a belief problem here would seem to be you, since you are expressing a lack of faith in your own premises. If either Obama or McCain is lying about backing Israel, why should you be concerned? Wouldn't that mean that you will have achieved your goals?
Please. Both politicians are trying to play the better Santa Claus and are pathological liars/wafflers. Considering the relative lack of necessity to financially support Israel, it's no wonder choking off civilian aid is under consideration.
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p.s. "Race-baiter?" Hello, out there in left field...
You insinuated that I had an anti-semetic bent. For someone who treasures his Galil and has honorably dated several Jewish women, I find your insult quite unsubstantiated. Your comment is no different than liberal Obamatons who cry racism to those who don't support him unconditionally. This race baiting is nothing new, and is good fodder for liberal neo-con RINOs to grow as a malignant tumor in the Republican party and to guilt people into supporting the endless dumping of money on a country that spies on America and steals our secrets. It is a tenuous relationship, and reminds me of the leeching whino friend who's always borrowing money from you and offers virtually nothing in return but something as worthless as where to find the best cheap booze.
It's cool, you have your belief and I have mine. You've expressed "Egypt first" and called me anti-semetic, so I can see you're not really a serious compromiser. I can't wait until the left-winged imposters of Republican party are neutralized so the party can be reconstructed properly.
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) will be the next president doesn't make it any less absurd to expect that he will. 
But what else would I expect from a bleeding heart liberal race baiter?
Just glad someone in Washington is starting to realize that.
