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You missed the point all together so maybe you should read the whole thread and post later. By the way, more than 1/2 a million chidren are in the foster case system, how many have you stepped up to adopt/support? Everyone talks like all children can easily be adopted so why are there thousands waiting? Why are most of the jail systems filled with adults who were abandoned and abused children.
I am an adoptive mother, my son is not white and was a premie dx with probably cp. Do I pass muster? It doesn't matter though, as I am wholeheartedly against anyone adopting (or having kids biologically for that matter) only to make a political point. That, imho is disgusting.
Regardless, foster care is not adoption --- you are getting two very different things confused. Children in foster care are not eligible for adoption --- not right away, not for many many years and in most cases not ever. The foster care system in the US is f'd up, and social workers who are more dedicated to social engineering then the children they should be protecting are at fault here, not the prolife movement.
Yeah, you can say there is a waiting list for couples but that's because they want perfect looking kids (in many cases white) with no health or potential emotional issues.
See above.
I tell you what, let's make sure men who leave the women and refuse to step up finacially and be a part of the child's life, be subject to a minimum 10 years in prison or maybe they get the death penalty as well for contributing to the "murder" of a child. Afterall, many of these abortions would not occur if there was a solid support system in place which usually involves the male owning up to his responsibility.
On this you and I agree
More realistically, I think that women should have the right to place children for adoption without the biofathers agreement or interference. I also wish there was a way to eradicate the stigma that women who place children for adoption face.
As to the issue of rape.........I personally have no problem with the morning after pill particularily when given to rape victims. I do however a problem with any woman for any reason having a late term abortion. I don't believe that I am alone in that.
On this you and I agree
More realistically, I think that women should have the right to place children for adoption without the biofathers agreement or interference. I also wish there was a way to eradicate the stigma that women who place children for adoption face.
As to the issue of rape.........I personally have no problem with the morning after pill particularily when given to rape victims. I do however a problem with any woman for any reason having a late term abortion. I don't believe that I am alone in that.
I have never had a problem prohibiting late term abortion since women still have the right to choose just that they must choose early. However, I am strongly opposed at forcing a mother to deliver a child in the case of rape, incest, or health of the mother or when it's clear the child will not survive. The problem with pro life radicals is that there is no tolerance of anything. If you really want to go back to biblical times as many wish to do, these women having sex outside of marriage would be immediately stoned to death and the men too, so what happened to their babies? Anyway, pro life advocates should focus on preventive education, instilling self esteem, and help create a culture where men are ashamed when they walk away not made to feel "normal". This is what will reduce abortions; otherwise, you're not going to see much change except the horror stories already mentioned in the posts above.
But we are discussing the small number of abortions that are performed due to rape. OP wanted the pro-life take on whether or not there should be an exception due to rape, and it seems many people think there should not be.
BUT - the Pro Life movement DOES MAKE EXCEPTIONS for Rape or Incest or the life of the Mother.
I have never had a problem prohibiting late term abortion since women still have the right to choose just that they must choose early. However, I am strongly opposed at forcing a mother to deliver a child in the case of rape, incest, or health of the mother or when it's clear the child will not survive. The problem with pro life radicals is that there is no tolerance of anything. If you really want to go back to biblical times as many wish to do, these women having sex outside of marriage would be immediately stoned to death and the men too, so what happened to their babies? Anyway, pro life advocates should focus on preventive education, instilling self esteem, and help create a culture where men are ashamed when they walk away not made to feel "normal". This is what will reduce abortions; otherwise, you're not going to see much change except the horror stories already mentioned in the posts above.
I agree with you. Late term abortion or partial birth abortion is hideous and uncivilized and should be outlawed. If a woman carries a child to that point and then decides that she doesn't want it, from that point, adoption should be the only resource, not the killing of a fully formed baby. As we all know, medical advances have made it possible to save pre-term fetuses as young as six months in utero.
That said, perhaps if women who found themselves unexpectedly pregnant (birth control fails folks, my two youngest children are proof of that) would be more likely to consider other options if, as you say, men weren't given the societal wink and pat on the back when they walk away from women that they've impregnated. Until the repercussions of abandoning that woman to her own devices outweigh the so-called benefits, a reduction in abortions is not likely.
Until that day comes, which I highly doubt it will, the number of frightened women who face the daunting prospect of pregnancy and motherhood with no support whatsoever will not decrease and no one, but the women themselves, should have the right to determine whether or not they will go through with something as life altering as pregnancy and they should have the right to terminate that pregnancy early.
BUT - the Pro Life movement DOES MAKE EXCEPTIONS for Rape or Incest or the life of the Mother.
As evidenced by this thread, there are plenty of people who think there should not be exceptions made for rape. From what I'm reading, the largest pro-life groups do not support exceptions in the case of rape or incest (see below).
I have never had a problem prohibiting late term abortion since women still have the right to choose just that they must choose early. However, I am strongly opposed at forcing a mother to deliver a child in the case of rape, incest, or health of the mother or when it's clear the child will not survive. The problem with pro life radicals is that there is no tolerance of anything. If you really want to go back to biblical times as many wish to do, these women having sex outside of marriage would be immediately stoned to death and the men too, so what happened to their babies? Anyway, pro life advocates should focus on preventive education, instilling self esteem, and help create a culture where men are ashamed when they walk away not made to feel "normal". This is what will reduce abortions; otherwise, you're not going to see much change except the horror stories already mentioned in the posts above.
I do see where you are getting at, however I don't believe it is either fair or accurate to paint prolife people as religious zealots and/or bombers (or they're cheerleaders) as you mentioned in an earlier post.
I think you are fighting a very small minority of pro life people, after all wouldn't it be fair to say that there are pro choice radicals? Those that believe abortion should be legal throughout a pregnancy up to and including the first few months after birth?
Radicals on both sides of this issue are luckily the very few.
I'm only in favor of abortion in cases of rape, or like when you take birth control and you still get pregnant or when you have a healt issue which can be dangerous to be pregnant, etc...
That doesn't make me in favor of Obama!!!!
I wish there was more done to prevent pregnancies. In the Netherlands girls can get the birth control pills without their parents consent and I'm all in favor of it, rather than the girl coming home and being pregnant. Just before any one will judge me....I do have kids and i have also 1 girl who is 18 right now and I would never have mind if she would have gotten it without telling us, but we have a very good relation ship and we discuss many things, and this is one of the issues we discussed.
Why are there so much less teen pregnancies in Europe as over here.....? If you provide the birth control or morning after pill which is for the next day....so very early after concieving....the amount of teen pregnancies will go down, isn't that better than having an abortion.....and even talk about it.
Let's be clear - most (not all) pro life advocates have even made the "exception" for rape or incest.
As another mentioned - the number of abortions due to rape or incest is relatively small compared to the number who choose abortion as a matter of "convenience".
BUT - the Pro Life movement DOES MAKE EXCEPTIONS for Rape or Incest or the life of the Mother.
Okay, I'll ask you:
Why is it the baby's fault that he/she is the product of the violent, heinous act of rape?
How does killing the baby make the rape any less horrific and take away the pain?
Please answer these questions only. No one has been able to do this, they've either ignored it entirely or resorted to name calling. Every successful abortion results in death. Murder is murder.
Nobody has ever been able to answer my question either
How do you propose to end abortions?
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It doesn't matter though, as I am wholeheartedly against anyone adopting (or having kids biologically for that matter) only to make a political point. That, imho is disgusting.
