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Old 08-31-2008, 08:47 AM
 
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Capitalism is all about staying fed by eating your own children. I think Karl Marx once said as much. Eventually it destroys itself. However, it destroys human beings along with it, too. The global rape of multinational corporations can't continue forever. After they've screwed over China for a while, and the Chinese rebel, they'll move onto Africa.
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:55 AM
 
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The exact same sentiment that was expressed by the American corporations that supported the Olympics when Human Rights Watch approched them asking that they atleast make a "statement" against China's human rights abuses. Their response? That's not our field of expertise.
A typical corporate answer.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:12 AM
 
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We learn in schools that historically most innovation comes from small businesses, who also employ more Americans than the mega corporations.

In bailing out and giving tax breaks to those huge corporations, we are actually hurting future job growth and innovation and our competitiveness in the world.

We are, in giving them welfare, stifling our growth, and voting for the same old stale world views.

So there is less money available for tax revenues for social programs, and they are also defeating the enterprising work ethic that have made this country unique and great.

So, no matter which side of the political/economic divide we are on, we should be seriously questioning the current bedding of our political system with those mega corporations.

The influence of huge corporations on the US government hurts both political philosophies. Both Republicans and Democrats should be objecting, and not supporting, corporate influence on the government.

If you agree, how did we slip into this mess, and how would we get out of it?

We should be joining together on this issue, not following the divide and conquer strategy 'they' would like to see.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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We learn in schools that historically most innovation comes from small businesses, who also employ more Americans than the mega corporations.

In bailing out and giving tax breaks to those huge corporations, we are actually hurting future job growth and innovation and our competitiveness in the world.

We are, in giving them welfare, stifling our growth, and voting for the same old stale world views.

So there is less money available for tax revenues for social programs, and they are also defeating the enterprising work ethic that have made this country unique and great.

So, no matter which side of the political/economic divide we are on, we should be seriously questioning the current bedding of our political system with those mega corporations.

The influence of huge corporations on the US government hurts both political philosophies. Both Republicans and Democrats should be objecting, and not supporting, corporate influence on the government.

If you agree, how did we slip into this mess, and how would we get out of it?

We should be joining together on this issue, not following the divide and conquer strategy 'they' would like to see.
There are a number of "mega-corporations" that have fallen on hard times. GM, several airlines, McDonal Douglas etc. Some are successful small business within recent memory....Dell, Microsoft, Apple, Dreamworks, so at what point does the company go from being good to evil in your book?
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:58 AM
 
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Capitalism is all about staying fed by eating your own children. I think Karl Marx once said as much. Eventually it destroys itself. However, it destroys human beings along with it, too. The global rape of multinational corporations can't continue forever. After they've screwed over China for a while, and the Chinese rebel, they'll move onto Africa.
How did that work our for Karl Marx's point of view?

No one one this board wants the return to pure capitalism we saw in the 1905 evironment of the US. However, you strangle invotation, effort etc. by espousing a socialistic state. How can you continue to espouse a system that has proven to be an utter failure?

Capitalism with protections and controls isn't perfect but it's better than what else I have seen.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:53 AM
 
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Freedom is 40 acres and a mule with no property taxes.
Which is why blacks never got their promised same.
99% of us are slaves,well fed ones for the most part-but slaves never the less.
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Old 08-31-2008, 07:16 PM
 
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Capitalism with protections and controls isn't perfect but it's better than what else I have seen.
Just because I critique capitalism, does not mean I favor Marxism.
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Old 09-01-2008, 03:51 PM
 
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Capitalism with protections and controls isn't perfect but it's better than what else I have seen.
I totally agree. It's a pity that we no longer live under a capitalistic system, but CORPORATISM. Our government is owned by huge corporations and no longer as responsive to the people as it should be.

Most of our problems arise from this system that we have morphed into.

Global warming is a result from our irrational dependence on oil - something we knew decades ago would be creating problems.

Tainted food/products from other countries is an effort by business to save a buck with no regard for our people, and nobody is dumb enough to think that such food should not be inspected.

Loss of jobs to other countries is another example.

Nobody who I know is suggesting that we convert to Marxism. We just want our democratic government to once again represent the will of the people, as it was meant to do. We want to unplug the lobbyists and corporate influence from our system.

It's a pity that McCain is no longer interested in this noble idea. If he did that, and people suspected he meant it, the outcome of this election would be very different than I suspect it will be.
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Old 09-01-2008, 04:05 PM
 
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I totally agree. It's a pity that we no longer live under a capitalistic system, but CORPORATISM. Our government is owned by huge corporations and no longer as responsive to the people as it should be.

Most of our problems arise from this system that we have morphed into.

Global warming is a result from our irrational dependence on oil - something we knew decades ago would be creating problems.

Tainted food/products from other countries is an effort by business to save a buck with no regard for our people, and nobody is dumb enough to think that such food should not be inspected.

Loss of jobs to other countries is another example.

Nobody who I know is suggesting that we convert to Marxism. We just want our democratic government to once again represent the will of the people, as it was meant to do. We want to unplug the lobbyists and corporate influence from our system.

It's a pity that McCain is no longer interested in this noble idea. If he did that, and people suspected he meant it, the outcome of this election would be very different than I suspect it will be.
I doubt it,nothing has ever trumped racism for 300 years.
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:58 AM
 
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I totally agree. It's a pity that we no longer live under a capitalistic system, but CORPORATISM. Our government is owned by huge corporations and no longer as responsive to the people as it should be.

Most of our problems arise from this system that we have morphed into.

Global warming is a result from our irrational dependence on oil - something we knew decades ago would be creating problems.

Tainted food/products from other countries is an effort by business to save a buck with no regard for our people, and nobody is dumb enough to think that such food should not be inspected.

Loss of jobs to other countries is another example.

Nobody who I know is suggesting that we convert to Marxism. We just want our democratic government to once again represent the will of the people, as it was meant to do. We want to unplug the lobbyists and corporate influence from our system.

It's a pity that McCain is no longer interested in this noble idea. If he did that, and people suspected he meant it, the outcome of this election would be very different than I suspect it will be.
1. Corporatism means the exact opposite of what you just defined it.
Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Where is the free choice in your scenario above? People choose where to buy food, what to buy etc. You cannot have free choice without responsibility and I find it confusing that people that lament the "loss of our freedoms" won't take responsibility for their own choices and want the government to take more and more control.

3. I have a lot of confidence in the food in the US. In fact, I've heard that the US food and drug situation is better than that found most anywhere in the world. My issue is that you cannot test or safeguard for every single thing and since mad cow is pretty much non-existant it seems excessive. To that point, it seems like the OP is using this topic as a political attack. (And as long as it's corporations\republicans and stir in some mad cow fear-mongering people seem to jump on the bandwagon.)

4. I fail to see how you can be so happy with the democrats and yet anti-corporation. I am leaning towards Obama right now...but look at all the dems with close ties to oh....Walmart?

5. How is sticking it to the corporations working out for Detroit and Michigan right now?
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