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Seriously. The people in that part of the world think that people in the USA get killed just for wearing the wrong colors to school. Imagine that. How ridiculous. Where would they get such an idea?
Well, it's in Iraq. This is the country George Bush implied would be a cakewalk to "democratize" and turn into a sterling little political success story. I wonder if he even knew the word "Yazidi" at the time he launched the invasion, to say nothing of his ability to judge the wisdom of other aspects of that operation.
9 posts into the thread and it's already time to bring up George Bush? I realize he also killed the dinosaurs and almost certainly caused Ted Kennedy to develop cancer but maybe just this once we could discuss a topic with some sanity?
9 posts into the thread and it's already time to bring up George Bush?
Given that this happened in 2007 in Iraq, and that it illuminates certain cultural issues that are very hard to reconcile with modernity or democracy, I think it's inevitable that the connection will be made.
The previous comment about "UN sanctions" also brings up an interesting issue. Sometimes, when things like this are reported, one emotional response (though not necessarily a serious one) is that the US or someone else should "go in there" and change things.
Well, alright. The US is indeed in Iraq. But unless we can somehow do street-by-street policing of every random village in that country, things won't necessarily change as much as we'd like to think.
Given that this happened in 2007 in Iraq, and that it illuminates certain cultural issues that are very hard to reconcile with modernity or democracy, I think it's inevitable that the connection will be made.
The previous comment about "UN sanctions" also brings up an interesting issue. Sometimes, when things like this are reported, one emotional response (though not necessarily a serious one) is that the US or someone else should "go in there" and change things.
Well, alright. The US is indeed in Iraq. But unless we can somehow do street-by-street policing of every random village in that country, things won't necessarily change as much as we'd like to think.
You are absolutely right about having an emotional response to this. Who couldn't?
As far as Iraq having ever been a democracy, or at least a secular based government -- the middle east version of secular government is a lot different then the US's version.
Seriously. The people in that part of the world think that people in the USA get killed just for wearing the wrong colors to school. Imagine that. How ridiculous. Where would they get such an idea?
You did bust me there. My point is not to say the honor killings or the gang killings in the USA are ok, but it to call attention to how we need to 1) look no farther than our own streets to see bad behavior 2) look at how we are viewed by others.
But you have to admit, wearing the wrong colors is not such an infraction as to trigger the penalty of death.
You did bust me there. My point is not to say the honor killings or the gang killings in the USA are ok, but it to call attention to how we need to 1) look no farther than our own streets to see bad behavior 2) look at how we are viewed by others.
We do have our own problems, its true. I would never try to deny that. There is a difference though between gang violence which is against the law and cultural violence which is sanctioned by the law.
I just feel so very badly for that girl, and all the others like her.
I also want to make sure that this mindset is not allowed to grow in the US, Canada or European countries as immigration from these areas of the world get more common.
We do have our own problems, its true. I would never try to deny that. There is a difference though between gang violence which is against the law and cultural violence which is sanctioned by the law.
I just feel so very badly for that girl, and all the others like her.
I also want to make sure that this mindset is not allowed to grow in the US, Canada or European countries as immigration from these areas of the world get more common.
Yep. I agree. But what are you going to do to stop it? there is this balance of freedom we have in the USA which protects this kind of mindset until its too late.
You did bust me there. My point is not to say the honor killings or the gang killings in the USA are ok, but it to call attention to how we need to 1) look no farther than our own streets to see bad behavior 2) look at how we are viewed by others.
But you have to admit, wearing the wrong colors is not such an infraction as to trigger the penalty of death.
Yes, Bob...she DID bust you. You know better than that! We in the USA aren't above criticism, of course..(and we're always willing to help, when OTHERS are busy criticizing us !! )....BUT...when "OUR" Timothy McVeighs 'work their evil', WE don't condone it. No tears for "Tim", no parades in his honor, no "martyr's funeral" after his execution, and no young mothers naming their first-born 'Timothy'. The violence HERE is different from the violence THERE....right?
Then its cultural.....either way it is being tolerated if not encouraged in a theocracy and that is disgusting.
Are you aware of the differences between nations and tribal/clan-based societies?
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