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The title of the thread comes from the book written by Nancy D. Polikoff, Beyond (Straight And Gay) Marriage: Valuing All Families under the Law. I was just looking for some interesting reads in the magazine section of the library and the July/August 2008 cover of UTNE jumped out at me. It’s Not a Gay Thing...
My problem with this line of argument ("marriage is a Constitutional right!") is that it does not preclude expanding the increasingly transmogrified (in some people's minds) definition of marriage to include any entity defined as an "adult person."
The efforts of NAMBLA (supported by the ACLU) to lower the age of legal consent (to, well -- perhaps birth?), would seem to indicate that opening this particular Pandora's box of judicial innovation might have consequences capable of provoking dismay even among the most shock-proof of "progressive" thinkers.
But then again, what the heck. It might not. Their upper lips do seem stiff enough to deal with the horror show of a society that they envision...
The efforts of NAMBLA (supported by the ACLU) to lower the age of legal consent (to, well -- perhaps birth?), would seem to indicate that opening this particular Pandora's box of judicial innovation might have consequences capable of provoking dismay even among the most shock-proof of "progressive" thinkers.
Is the ACLU REALLY supporting NAMBLA's efforts to lower the age of legal consent...?..... or are we confusing what ACLU did when it "defended" NAMBLA to stop vicarious liability to publishers for the crimes of their readers as
Don't get me wrong, the ACLU supports some stuff I don't agree with, but the whole, "they [ACLU] support NAMBLA" thing is wrong. They don't support the MISSION of NAMBLA!!!
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But then again, what the heck. It might not. Their upper lips do seem stiff enough to deal with the horror show of a society that they envision...
What "horror show" of a society do you envision? Gay and lesbian couples setting up permanent, stable households and raising kids? THAT's horrific to you? Do you prefer your gays relegated to ghettoes free from societal constraints and pressures that reign in straight couples?
Is the ACLU REALLY supporting NAMBLA's efforts to lower the age of legal consent...?..... or are we confusing what ACLU did when it "defended" NAMBLA to stop vicarious liability to publishers for the crimes of their readers as
Don't get me wrong, the ACLU supports some stuff I don't agree with, but the whole, "they [ACLU] support NAMBLA" thing is wrong. They don't support the MISSION of NAMBLA!!!
Sorry. In effect, by enabling NAMBLA to continue their efforts, they do. And no amount of parsing will change that.
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What "horror show" of a society do you envision? Gay and lesbian couples setting up permanent, stable households and raising kids? THAT's horrific to you? Do you prefer your gays relegated to ghettoes free from societal constraints and pressures that reign in straight couples?
I won't ask you to reread my post. Just enjoy that whole army of strawmen you've created to keep you company.
My problem with this line of argument ("marriage is a Constitutional right!") is that it does not preclude expanding the increasingly transmogrified (in some people's minds) definition of marriage to include any entity defined as an "adult person."
The efforts of NAMBLA (supported by the ACLU) to lower the age of legal consent (to, well -- perhaps birth?), would seem to indicate that opening this particular Pandora's box of judicial innovation might have consequences capable of provoking dismay even among the most shock-proof of "progressive" thinkers.
But then again, what the heck. It might not. Their upper lips do seem stiff enough to deal with the horror show of a society that they envision...
I believe we've already had plenty of slippery slope arguments on this board in regards to homsexual marriage. If that is what you believe will be the outcome, more power to you. But to restrict two consenting adults (18 + within the bounds of our current definition of an adult) from marrying the person they love and wish to build a life with based on the premis that.. "this or that" could open a flood gate for "this or that" is absurd. That argument could be made for ANY change in legislation.. not just gay marriage. I don't think legal age of consent or NAMBLA have anything to do with gay marriage. There is a difference between a pedophile and a gay person.. you can be straight and be a pedophile.. and you can be gay and be a pedophile... being gay or straight.. doesn't make you a pedophile.. and frankly throwing the entire gay issues into a melting pot with pedophiles is very disrepectful and ignorant... Someone who is an educator surely can understand basic logic and reasoning better than this?
I believe we've already had plenty of slippery slope arguments on this board in regards to homsexual marriage. If that is what you believe will be the outcome, more power to you. But to restrict two consenting adults (18 + within the bounds of our current definition of an adult) from marrying the person they love and wish to build a life with based on the premis that.. "this or that" could open a flood gate for "this or that" is absurd. That argument could be made for ANY change in legislation.. not just gay marriage. I don't think legal age of consent or NAMBLA have anything to do with gay marriage. There is a difference between a pedophile and a gay person.. you can be straight and be a pedophile.. and you can be gay and be a pedophile... being gay or straight.. doesn't make you a pedophile.. and frankly throwing the entire gay issues into a melting pot with pedophiles is very disrepectful and ignorant... Someone who is an educator surely can understand basic logic and reasoning better than this?
Should marriages between brother/sister be legal if both are 18+?
Should marriages between brother/sister be legal if both are 18+?
are they legal now?
gay marriage has never been illegal or legal until gays wished to challenge the vaugeness of the law.. and it wasn't until THEN that gay marriage was made illegal
brother/sister in a straight marriage
is no different than a sister/sister or brother/brother marriage in a gay one
I think both a gay and straight marriage can follow the same legal codes
but nice try
are they legal now?
gay marriage has never been illegal or legal until gays wished to challenge the vaugeness of the law.. and it wasn't until THEN that gay marriage was made illegal
brother/sister in a straight marriage
is no different than a sister/sister or brother/brother marriage in a gay one
I think both a gay and straight marriage can follow the same legal codes
but nice try
You didn't answer the question. "Yes" or "No." Please pick one.
You didn't answer the question. "Yes" or "No." Please pick one.
theoretically.. I would not want to marry my sister or brother... but if two people who are adults want to do that... then so be it...
its one of those things where I don't agree with it... but It is not my place to tell them they can't if they are adults and I think its kinda gross
afterall ancient societies married each other as brother and sister...to each their own I guess....I don't believe in the government defining love and marriage...I think people can rule their own lives and make their own decisions... and that is good enough for me.. i don't have to agree with it
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