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Old 08-29-2008, 12:15 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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I think you're confusing liberalism with socialism....
Please tell me that you're kidding.

socialism:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


liberalism:

In the US, liberalism is usually understood to refer to modern liberalism, as contrasted with conservatism. American liberals endorse regulation for business, a limited social welfare state, and support broad racial, ethnic, sexual and religious tolerance, and thus more readily embrace Pluralism, and affirmative action. In Europe, on the other hand, liberalism is not only contrasted with conservatism and Christian Democracy, but also with socialism and social democracy. In some countries, European liberals share common positions with Christian Democrats.

Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Boise
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regulating business practices is a very broad term.. which mandating something falls under.. so a person can be in favor of regulations.. its a matter of how strict the regulations are.. so.. when it comes to american politics.. most people who do favor socialistic views.. exercise their beliefs under the wing of liberalism...
I am a liberal and I do not agree with MAKING any business have to provide any mandated service to the public .. but I do believe in them adhering to safety standards and health standards...for their employees and the SAFETY of the public... there's a big difference between the two.. and both can be considered a business regulation.. but are rooted in different ideals...
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Go to one of the threads about the lazy dropouts who don't want to work, and ask yourself if you really want one of those guys messing around under you hood and fooling with your tires.
I would have said:
I like my vehicle and take good care of it. I make it a point not to spill gas on the paint when filling it up. And not for nothing but when it comes to my tires I will decide what correct inflation should be. Its my life that can be forfeit if the tires are not inflated correctly. Sorry I trust my own abilities over a strangers.
Besides a vo-tec drop out might not be the best choice to check your oil. Thats why I either get the oil changed at the dealership or do it myself..
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:08 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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regulating business practices is a very broad term.. which mandating something falls under.. so a person can be in favor of regulations.. its a matter of how strict the regulations are.. so.. when it comes to american politics.. most people who do favor socialistic views.. exercise their beliefs under the wing of liberalism...
I am a liberal and I do not agree with MAKING any business have to provide any mandated service to the public .. but I do believe in them adhering to safety standards and health standards...for their employees and the SAFETY of the public... there's a big difference between the two.. and both can be considered a business regulation.. but are rooted in different ideals...
Perhaps a difference in how liberal one is (modern US liberal). I'm not in favor of regulation. Health and safety can all be handled by our court system. Hold businesses and individuals accountable for actions that harm others... you don't need regulation to accomplish that.

Regulation isn't a direct function of socialism. Socialism favors state run businesses rather than private run businesses, so regulation is moot.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Boise
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Perhaps a difference in how liberal one is (modern US liberal). I'm not in favor of regulation. Health and safety can all be handled by our court system. Hold businesses and individuals accountable for actions that harm others... you don't need regulation to accomplish that.

Regulation isn't a direct function of socialism. Socialism favors state run businesses rather than private run businesses, so regulation is moot.
well, when I was in college I worked as a waiter... and if there wasn't a government health department who came in and inspected things and set standards.. you might be eating a steak that had been kicked around on the foor a while.. or servers using the bathroom and not washing their hands and touching your food... you'd never know or there would never be any issue for the courts unless you got sick or found out...how many people would have to eat a steak that's been on the ground before someone actually does get sick and there's a case? I'd venture to say quite a bit...
so yes.. lets go with your system.. free unregulated business... and enjoy your next meal next time you go out to eat... and think about all the love and care that's going into it by your waiter/waitress who's making 3 dollars per hour...
business is concerned with their bottomline.. not your steak...
and I'm sure a steak that's been on the floor.. or touched by dirty hands can look and taste just as good as one that hasn't been... it will just be their little secret
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Boise
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there's a difference between telling a salon they can ONLY cut hair a certain way.. and ensuring they sanitize things between clients...
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:59 AM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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well, when I was in college I worked as a waiter... and if there wasn't a government health department who came in and inspected things and set standards.. you might be eating a steak that had been kicked around on the foor a while.. or servers using the bathroom and not washing their hands and touching your food... you'd never know or there would never be any issue for the courts unless you got sick or found out...how many people would have to eat a steak that's been on the ground before someone actually does get sick and there's a case? I'd venture to say quite a bit...
so yes.. lets go with your system.. free unregulated business... and enjoy your next meal next time you go out to eat... and think about all the love and care that's going into it by your waiter/waitress who's making 3 dollars per hour...
business is concerned with their bottomline.. not your steak...
and I'm sure a steak that's been on the floor.. or touched by dirty hands can look and taste just as good as one that hasn't been... it will just be their little secret
Yes, business is concerned about the bottom line, but that's regardless of regulation. But in order to maintain a customer base, you have to provide a quality product at a good price, or a decent product at a great price. The consumer will decide.

Current health department inspections do little to prevent restuarants from being unsanitary. I've seen plenty of filthy restaurants that haven't been shut down... and unsurprisingly, they're the ones that are often closed in a short amount of time.

But take government out of the business of regulation and if there's an actual demand for inspections, the market will provide one. I purchase Kosher products when one is available... even thought I'm not Jewish. It's because I value the rules of cleanliness that is strictly applied to these products. And these are all certified by private organizations who stamp the products that pass muster.

I bet you do the same thing when you purchase a fire extingusher or power strip. You look for the UL symbol to ensure it is a quality product that passed safety testing. It was certified by a private lab, not by a government one. The market has filled a need demanded by the consumers... and at a low cost.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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When I lived in OR, not a single attendant at a gas station checked my oil or tires. I lived there 2 years and can count on one hand, with fingers left over, the number of times the windshield was washed without me asking. Yeah it's nice to have someone else fill the gas tank in the winter, but to say that we all need to switch to full-service gas stations so that tire pressure gets checked is just silly.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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When I lived in OR, not a single attendant at a gas station checked my oil or tires. I lived there 2 years and can count on one hand, with fingers left over, the number of times the windshield was washed without me asking. Yeah it's nice to have someone else fill the gas tank in the winter, but to say that we all need to switch to full-service gas stations so that tire pressure gets checked is just silly.
The two years I lived there, I also never had an attendant do anything other than fill my gas. And expect a tip. And work slowly. And it does add to the cost of the gas there. No thanks - just let me jump out, fill my own, and run outta there.

We need less gov't intrusion, regulation, and oversight. Certainly not more! Dear god why do people want more govt'?!
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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Who the heck is this President Obama?? What country does he run?
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