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Old 08-25-2014, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Q: What do Todd Palin, Pat Robertson, Ronald Reagan and Jesse Jackson, Sr. all have in common?

A: They all had their first child born less than 8 months after they were married. You can look it up.

In the fifties and sixties many of the brides went to the altar with a bun in the oven. Sixties brought changes in abortion attitudes | CJOnline.com
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Can we get to the political issues now?
wrong, Reagan's first child was born almost 1 year to the day after his marriage to Jayne Wyman. look it up! yes, Pat Robinson made this public knowledge years ago, people make mistakes and still believe in family values. No one is clueless enough not to know people do get pregnant out of wedlock and have since the biblical times.

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Old 08-26-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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wrong, Reagan's first child was born almost 1 year to the day after his marriage to Jayne Wyman. look it up! yes, Pat Robinson made this public knowledge years ago, people make mistakes and still believe in family values. No one is clueless enough not to know people do get pregnant out of wedlock and have since the biblical times.
Yes. Happens all the time.

But those that married did the right thing, so the child was born to parents who were married to each other at the time of the birth. There are other options besides marriage, such as giving the child up to a married couple.

That's not anything like the 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate that some groups in the US today have.
 
Old 08-26-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Not Republicans! How dare you impugn their good reputation and family values. They never have sex until they are married nor do they lie, commit adultery, have divorces, steal, murder, have impure thoughts, etc. If only the world were all Republican, there would be no sinners.
If marrying someone you just got pregnant, and raising the child together isnt a definition of family values, then I'm curious what you think would.
 
Old 08-26-2014, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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If marrying someone you just got pregnant, and raising the child together isnt a definition of family values, then I'm curious what you think would.
To a lot of people, the phrase is interchangeable with Christian values because to many they go hand and hand.


So to many, if you are not going by Christian values, then you arent going by family values ( pregnant/having sex before marriage.).
 
Old 08-26-2014, 05:36 PM
 
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Where are the Palin supporters?

no counter?
You want a counter, sure.

I was born in a German army hospital in 1964, TEN WEEKS EARLY!!, was under 4 pounds, and almost did not make it, so the fact that you assumed that a 8 month carry time automatically indicated pre marital sex. I find very offensive.

Maybe there are some remedial 6th grade biology lessons available in your area. I know when I was in school they taught that 1st borns were likely to be early.
 
Old 08-26-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I"m a liberal, and I don't care a hoot what Sarah Palin's private life is. Not one bit.

FFFFT. Out of wedlock births are so common these days, I doubt very many people of any political persuasion care about her private life either.

It's time the OP moved into the 21st century and joined the rest of us.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Yes. Happens all the time.

But those that married did the right thing, so the child was born to parents who were married to each other at the time of the birth. There are other options besides marriage, such as giving the child up to a married couple.

That's not anything like the 70% out-of-wedlock birth rate that some groups in the US today have.
you wouldn't get an argument out of me on that. Actually the trend toward single moms started about the time the pill became a household word. We have 2 adopted children: one we adopted in 1963 and the other in 1964. By the 70s it became much harder to adopt. We had the pill, abortion and single moms. our foster daughter is one that was not put up for adoption, but raised for a short period of time by her mother and grandmother. I think her life would have been much better had she been adopted. The positive part of her story, we love her, she loves us and we learned so much from her love. The unfortunately part, many of her childhood, teen and young adult years were anything but happy. Let me add, I don't think all single mothers are not capable of raising their children, just many of them.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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To a lot of people, the phrase is interchangeable with Christian values because to many they go hand and hand.


So to many, if you are not going by Christian values, then you arent going by family values ( pregnant/having sex before marriage.).
man is that a naive idea. Christian values in fantasy land would still like to lump Christian life with virginity until marriage; in the real world most Christians as well as non Christians except for Muslims do not expect this to be the case.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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you wouldn't get an argument out of me on that. Actually the trend toward single moms started about the time the pill became a household word. We have 2 adopted children: one we adopted in 1963 and the other in 1964. By the 70s it became much harder to adopt. We had the pill, abortion and single moms. our foster daughter is one that was not put up for adoption, but raised for a short period of time by her mother and grandmother. I think her life would have been much better had she been adopted. The positive part of her story, we love her, she loves us and we learned so much from her love. The unfortunately part, many of her childhood, teen and young adult years were anything but happy. Let me add, I don't think all single mothers are not capable of raising their children, just many of them.
Single mothers have it really tough, and I wouldn't have ever wanted to have been in their shoes.

It's great that you were able to adopt--and it's too bad that it's so much harder today to do so. Single unmarried mothers who keep their child face all sorts of things that a married couple don't.

We have "The Great Society" to thank for much of this.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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To a lot of people, the phrase is interchangeable with Christian values because to many they go hand and hand.

So to many, if you are not going by Christian values, then you arent going by family values ( pregnant/having sex before marriage.).
Ok so even if she had sex before marriage, this means what? That left wing kooks think somehow this opens them up to judge and claim superiority while then defending things like abortion and justifying massive amounts of a welfare state?
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