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Old 09-05-2008, 03:28 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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That would be because capturing Bin Laden was never Task 1. 9/11/08 was one of the most tragic days in US history, compounded by the horribly lax way the government followed up. More money was spent investigating Bill Clinton's sex life than 9/11. And sorry, but I am one of many who believe that even if Bin Laden did give the orders for this attack, it was with the blessing of wealthy United States insiders with an agenda already in mind. Call it conspiracy theory if you wish, there is more than enough hard evidence out there to prove it is more like a conspiracy fact. The deaths of thousands of American citizens provided an opening for tightening down on citizens, attacking old enemies even though it was shown that they had nothing to do with 9/11, and pushing the global agenda. It personally makes me sick to think about it, so 9/11 is just "National Anger Day" for me. Angry for the lives that were sacrificed for such a dishonorable cause, and anger at the way things have been handled ever since.
Don't mean to sound disrespectful (b/c we can all respectfully differ in our opinions) but I can't quite make that leap that American citizens were involved in 9/11. However, lots of things did change after 9/11 and some of them have made me feel that our rights have been abused. For example, I just found out today that b/c of legislation passed after 9/11, I can't make more than 6 transfers from my savings account to my checking account a month w/o getting charged. Now that seemed like a total lie to me (a way for the bank to just charge more fees) but I was assured it all has to do w/ "money laundering" (read that - Terrorists) and that indeed, it is based on a law enacted after 9/11. How crazy is that????
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:29 PM
 
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It wouldn't end. Catching or killing him (especially killing him) would turn him into a martyr and energize his followers. I still think he should be shot on sight (or dropped from a very tall building), but taking him out of the picture is unlikely to have any quantifiable positive effect.
I think you are probably totally correct on that - I, too, think he would be edified as a martyr. Pretty sick.
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Do you think the terrorism would end, tho, if he would be caught? Cause I have wondered if it would make any difference at all. . . seems the world is full of these radicals (look at UK incidents). Not that I think it doesn't matter if OBL is caught . . . I just wonder how influential he really is at this point. ????
Capturing or killing Bin Laden admittedly wouldn't end terrorism. However, that's beside the point. Should we allow murderers in this country to just roam freely because bringing them to justice won't stop all killings? Of course not. The fact is that when someone commits a crime, he/she should be caught and face the consquences.

In the case of a mass murderer like Bin Laden, a long, painful, torturous death should be his punishment IF he's ever caught. However, going after him has been put on the back burner for whatever reason. Something tells me that we've eased up on tracking him down because of his wealth and connections to oil money.
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:08 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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I hate to admit it, but the U.S. has really let its guard down ever since the attacks of 9/11/01 ... which is extremely sad & pathetic. I started a thread in the Presidental Election forum that none of the candidates stated anything in their convention speeches about capturing Bin Laden! Obama and McCain briefly mentioned Bin Laden on the campaign trail ... but nothing about the world's most wanted terrorist was ever mentioned at the conventions.

A terrorist attack of any kind could happen at any time on the U.S or its allies. Are we prepared for it??? The way our government has allowed a mass murderer (Bin Laden) to roam freely says it all.
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We never had our guard up the whole thing is a lie.

I base it on open borders . You can't say "We are fighting terrorists" and leave your borders open.
It's like having iron bars,alarm on your front door,window and leaving the back door wide open 24/7 .

A potential terrorist will simply pay for protection/guide and stroll through the border .
Mexico's police/military will be more than happy to escort a paying customer .


The war on terrorist has been a total lie and used for another purpose .
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:16 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Capturing or killing Bin Laden admittedly wouldn't end terrorism. However, that's beside the point. Should we allow murderers in this country to just roam freely because bringing them to justice won't stop all killings? Of course not. The fact is that when someone commits a crime, he/she should be caught and face the consquences.

In the case of a mass murderer like Bin Laden, a long, painful, torturous death should be his punishment IF he's ever caught. However, going after him has been put on the back burner for whatever reason. Something tells me that we've eased up on tracking him down because of his wealth and connections to oil money.
I think he must be brought to justice, but I hope that does not mean a trial (like Saddam). I just want OBL out of the picture. I don't care how it is done. Just tell me you found him dead and take pictures and DNA to prove it was truly OBL.

When you say - his connections to oil money - are you saying you think he is being shielded by the Saudis - or that you think our leaders have been "bought off" b/c of OBL's connection to the Saudi's? Just doesn't seem very feasible to me . . . after all - USA has not been OBL's only target.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:18 PM
 
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We never had our guard up the whole thing is a lie.

I base it on open borders . You can't say "We are fighting terrorists" and leave your borders open.
It's like having iron bars,alarm on your front door,window and leaving the back door wide open 24/7 .

A potential terrorist will simply pay for protection/guide and stroll through the border .
Mexico's police/military will be more than happy to escort a paying customer .


The war on terrorist has been a total lie and used for another purpose .
Our open borders are scary and serve as an injustice to all of us - not just from a security standpoint, but b/c of all the illegals who cross over and use resources here.

But as for your statement re: the war on terrorism being for another purpose - now you lost me on that one. ????
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:25 PM
 
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As long as we have millions (including trucks which could carry a bomb, drug gangs and even Mexican military) crossing our southern border we are in great danger.

If another disaster comes, those who did nothing will get the blame. They will go down in history as traitors.
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