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View Poll Results: Is patriotism a virtue or vice?
Virtue 35 61.40%
Vice 22 38.60%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-09-2008, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I see patriotism/nationalism as a holdover of the days when people were less individualistic and more communal, when we had more of a "hive" mentality you might say. In the post-modern world, patriotism is arguably blind and not as important.

What's your feeling - virtue or vice?
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Old 09-09-2008, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Patriotism as it is practiced and understood in the United States is a great vice, bordering on a mental disorder.

There could theoretically be such a thing as rational patriotism that involved loving one's own country (though not denying its shortcomings) without feeling the need to hate or disparage anyone else's country, and not pretending it is right when it is very plainly not. But I've found that almost all Americans who claim to be patriotic practice the ignorant kind of patriotism.
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Old 09-09-2008, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Let me post here a general question for all of you. Please form an answer to this question, so that it would be equally applicable to a citizen of any country in the world.

What are the obligations and responsibilities of a patriotic citizen?

Remember, whatever you say will need to apply to an American, an Iranian, a Zimbablwean, a Swede, or a Russian.

I don't mean to hijack this post, and by all means, discuss the OP. But that would be hard to do without first thinking about this question.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Blind patriotism is awful, but I have no problem with patriotism itself. Too many people support our actions as a nation without understanding history.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Patriotism as it is practiced and understood in the United States is a great vice, bordering on a mental disorder.

There could theoretically be such a thing as rational patriotism that involved loving one's own country (though not denying its shortcomings) without feeling the need to hate or disparage anyone else's country, and not pretending it is right when it is very plainly not. But I've found that almost all Americans who claim to be patriotic practice the ignorant kind of patriotism.
I am a patriot and I don't do those things. I will not say for example that the United States is the "best" country in the world. There are many good countries including those in Europe, Austrailia and Canada. I will say that we are in the company of the best when compared with crapholes like Mexico, Hati and religous nutcase Muslim countries. I don't "hate" those countries but they are not places I would want to live. And considering the number of their own citizens that sneak in here, alot of them agree with me.
I don't say "my country right or wrong". If it is "wrong", it is our duty as Americans to make it "right". And I think we do a decent job of that when you consider that, when I was born, a black boy could not go to my school and now a black man is running to be my President.
But I will say that I love this country. It is my home and the home of my family. And I take pride in it. The flag flies on this house from Memorial Day to 9-12 every year (used to take it down on Labour Day until 9-11-01). As a liberal I do not tell others how they should feel or act and, if they do not wish to stand for the anthem or say the pledge, so be it. That is their right in a free country. But I will stand so long as I draw a breath of life!
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:29 PM
 
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Default Duty, honor, country

That doesnt meen blind obedience, it is my duty to keep my country on the path the founding fathers set. it is an honor to be part of the only country that started a land for personal freedom, self governed. no other country in the history of the world has done so much for all. and NO it is NOT like Iran, or russia, or france.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:08 PM
 
Location: S.Florida
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Blind patriotism is awful, but I have no problem with patriotism itself. Too many people support our actions as a nation without understanding history.
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We have a Rep congressman politician here in Miami .
Pro Iraq surge ,pro any war NEVER served a day and voted to CUT FUNDs for hurt Iraq/ Afghanistan vets .

However due to his neocon speeches he is seen as patriotic and a hero. He is a Cuban Rush Limbaugh (actually much worse ).

Your right blind "patriotism" is aweful people need to stop being such sheep and look at actions not empty words.
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Originally Posted by djacques View Post
Patriotism as it is practiced and understood in the United States is a great vice, bordering on a mental disorder.

There could theoretically be such a thing as rational patriotism that involved loving one's own country (though not denying its shortcomings) without feeling the need to hate or disparage anyone else's country, and not pretending it is right when it is very plainly not. But I've found that almost all Americans who claim to be patriotic practice the ignorant kind of patriotism.

I practice intelligent patriotism. I've visited and lived in many countries; very many are fantastic places to live. For example, I could live in Germany and be content as ever. However, I love the United States - it is my favorite country of all. Of course, I am a little biased.

Cheers
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Old 09-09-2008, 07:46 PM
 
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Depends if you are overly patriotic and believe everything the government tells you, follows the line completely or you think for yourself and love your country and not the government who is ruining it.
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:11 PM
 
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If you think that there is some sort of script or catechism that can or should be followed in support of patriotism, or if you respond to blatant patriotic stimulii as if you were one of Pavlov's dogs...you are doing it wrong...
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