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View Poll Results: should the blue states secede from the Union?
Yes! We both can't stand eachother and it's time we go our seperate ways 54 70.13%
No...for some reason we should stay together forever, even if we hate eachother 23 29.87%
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-15-2008, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Alabama!
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IF we continue the route we are going...why stay as "one nation under their God?" Seriously, why not split up, let those of us who don't believe in fundamentalism and all that nonsense join up with Canada or start our own independent country and let the wingnuts have their half? Everyone could be run by their own laws and everyone could be happy...
It's been tried....and ya'll told us we had to stay. Why should we let you all take off now that we're becoming the majority?
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:48 PM
 
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It's been tried....and ya'll told us we had to stay. Why should we let you all take off now that we're becoming the majority?
Touche'!
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Yes
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Sounds fun!

As long as I could still go visit my family with a passport ...
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Old 09-16-2008, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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This all sounds fine, but WA needs to be in Jesusland, after all we need to have the water to walk on! (wink)
And...you all in Canada land can have California...
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:03 PM
 
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Well, imagine our relief that you’ve decided to secede and form some sort of bathing-optional commune headquartered in California. The money we'll save in aspirin, now that we won’t have headaches from listening to your interminable whining, will be worth it to us alone.We'll finally be rid of you lazy, moping, latte-sucking Streisand fans now that you're actually going to follow through--for once--on your promise to finally get off your butts and leave, as so many of you claimed you would every election cycle and then chickened out of actually doing. (Yeah, we’re looking at you, Alec Baldwin.)But not so fast. You don’t get to take all the Blue States with you--just the Blue parts.We hate to break it to you, but your Blue States aren’t actually 'blue.' Mostly, they’re states full of Red counties with pockets of Blue urban blight in them, who vote Democratic in such numbers that if the same results came out of a Third World country—which, come to think of it, many of the 'Blue' counties pretty much are—we’d think it was fraud and send some election observers from the UN.Even California is pretty much a Red State: Bush won 35 out of 58 counties, while Kerry won LA and San Francisco. You want 'em? we certainly won’t fight you for them but you're going to have to found New California without 35 of your most beautiful counties and your second-largest city. Sorry about that.Nationally, Bush won over 2.5 million square miles of U.S. counties (and an extra three and a half million votes, but we won't rub that in.) Kerry won less than 600,000 square miles--meaning that in most states he was popular downtown and pretty much nowhere else. In other words, your guy won the places that people like him would get shot if he walked through them at night. Our guy won every place else.So, the bottom line is that you don't get the Blue States. Those states have lots of towns and counties that would rather blow their dams and flood themselves out of existence rather than go with you. No, instead, you get the Blue Cities.But wait…we really feel we owe you full disclosure on this exchange. This might come as an unpleasant surprise, but you don’t actually get the lower divorce and single-motherhood rates and all that other good stuff you think you're going to snag. Those are the conditions that are actually found out in the Red counties—not in the Blue cities, and you can't have them.Instead you get the urban single moms, not the soccer moms; the drug addicts, not the doctors; the waiters, not the chefs. You get the fine service you've come to expect from the brutal and corrupt inner-city police departments. You get the abysmal literacy rates and schools that are more dangerous than most prisons. All in all, you get to take with you a public sector in most cities so unmanageable they make Mogadishu seem like a tidily run little municipality by comparison.You get the labor union shakedown artists, 'teachers' who can’t pass tests in their own subject, and city government leaders for whom graft, racial spoils systems, and outright theft are a way of life. They’re all very enthusiastic Blue voters, as you know, and we’re sure they’ll stampede their way to New California to start draining your wallets, wrecking your schools, and in general making a mess of your lives. And don't come complaining back to us when socialist central planning does for New California what it did for garden spots like East Berlin and Pyongyang. We're putting a strict visa system into place once you all go.)We, on the other hand, get those Red city suburbs and rural districts. You know, the ones with the good schools, the high property values, the quiet streets and the sheriffs and cops who don’t need to walk around armored up like they’re about to storm the Sunni Triangle.Oh and don’t concern yourself with our agricultural capacity after all, they don't call it "the breadbasket" for nothin'. We’ll keep right on producing the vast majority of wheat, corn, oats, rye, potatoes, soybeans, beef, chicken and pork.We’ve always preferred a nice, unpretentious, frosty mug of brew anyway and hey, maybe you can make a salad with those pineapples, stem cells, and lettuce.And don't even think about keeping the National Parks, the wide open spaces, all those water resources, and all the rest of America's natural splendor, since those are all pretty much located in Red counties.Hell, we even get most of Oregon and Washington ...ain’t it ironic? You get the urban liberals in Portland and Seattle and their friends in important social organizations (like, say, drug-running street gangs) and we get the rest of the Northwest.Ok by us; we’d be fools not to take you up on it. Here’s how it will work; all of you Blue whiners, please feel free to look at a map of the electoral results county by county in each state, and take the people with you who’ve made it clear they’d like to go.That means you get places like downtown Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and we get to keep the rest of beautiful Pennsylvania, thanks.You get to administer bloated public services to the violent, drug-addled, gunslinging populations of delightful inner-city sinkholes of poverty and corruption such as Miami, St. Louis,Atlanta and the ever-popular District of Columbia--which has been governed by liberals (and the occasional crackhead) for so long and so incompetently that any semblance of order has broken down (beyond the carefully guarded borders of your Georgetown bistros, natch) to the point where even the mayor once asked the President to have the city patrolled by National Guardsmen.Lucky you, it's all yours--enjoy it in good health, and don’t forget to wear your Kevlar...Blue "voters" up there in Northeast DC tend to be jumpy on the ol' trigger finger.In fact, all around our great nation, you get to keep all the Blue voters who’ve made urban war zones like downtown Detroit--a Blue bastion, of course--the proud showplaces they are today.We get the rest of Blue states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Illinois and...well, frankly, just about every state in the Union with the exception of Hawaii and New England--and even there, we’ll just hang on to a couple of chunks of New Hampshire and Connecticut.You’re especially more than welcome to Rhode Island, which will immediately set up some sort of money-laundering scheme and bilk the rest of you once it has been incorporated into whatever sort of muddle-headed utopia you’re trying to create.The former mayor of Providence should be out of Federal prison in time to join your Politburo and help you get things set up--for a small consulting fee, of courseIf you would please, take another look at the list of best beaches and notice what color states they are in. We'll miss the Hawaiian beaches, but since long stretches of coastline from New Jersey down to Florida and yes, even in Southern California (including San Diego, thanks) are actually in Red counties, we'll be fine.Sure, we get the rednecks and holy rollers. But since you're apparently willing to trade them for the gangs and psychopaths terrorizing your Blue cities, what can we say? You want the Crips and the Bloods in low riders raking your streets with automatic gunfire, and you're offering us Bubba heading off to church in his pickup?Hey, a deal's a deal. Done.True, you also get Manhattan, but darn the luck, you have to take the rest of the city, including the Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn too, as well as Long Island, which is enough to almost make us feel sorry for you all out there in New California. (Almost.)For our part, we’ll take most of the rest of gorgeous New York State, although you get the scam artists who infest the legislature in Albany.And since for some unfathomable reason you actually want Elliot Spitzer, we’ll buy his plane ticket as a gesture of goodwill.So that’s the deal. You get the cities, with all the crime, crack mommies, and corruption you can stand.And sure, you get many of the elite colleges too, with the professors who think that terrorists in Fallujah are freedom fighters and that the people who worked in the Twin Towers on 9/11 were no better than Nazis—forgive us for not lamenting over this loss.We get the suburbs, the countryside, and all the other beautiful places that remain unspoiled by liberal hypocrisy and addle-brained social experimentation.And we'd like a favor, too: please keep your sky-high tax and crime rates, since we're happy to have the corporations and jobs that continue to flee your Blue cities into our Red counties. It's much appreciated, since our unemployment rates, to say nothing of our crime, single-parenting, and illiteracy rates, are far lower than yours.Oh, and one last thing. We get the U.S. military, too. Did we mention that part? (You may have forgotten that they're volunteers, and most are happy Red state voters.)Not to worry, though, since we’re sure that Islamic fundamentalist terrorists will be more than happy to reach an accommodation with a society that embraces radical feminism, gay marriage, gun control, hostility to organized religion of any kind, and Salman Rushdie. Good luck with that.But one day when some misogynist Saudi freak--who no doubt will sneak into your country by strolling over the northern border after a few years sucking on the Canadian welfare system you all admire so much--blows up a couple kilos of plutonium on Sunset Boulevard, go send Sean Penn to ask the French for help. We’ll be busy that day.Sincerely,The Red States
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:18 PM
 
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If we succeed in separating the red states from the blue states... I suspect the Blue State Country will demand entitlements and handouts from the Red State Country... even though we are suppose to be separate countries.. I guess it puts new meaning to the word "foreign aid"...
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Old 10-30-2008, 03:42 PM
 
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Note as well that Alaska has an incident of rape 2.2 times higher that the national average. They'd fit right in with all the other states in Jesusland...excelling in rape, incest, domestic violence etc....you know, all that redneck fun
Most of America's murder capitals like Oakland, Chicago, Philadelphia, Newark, Compton Detroit, Camden,etc are located in blue states. Also if the red states became their own seperate country I would imagine most blacks who live in the red states would leave (because they overwhelmingly only vote for Democrats) and immigrate to the blue states, thus the crime/murder rate in the blue states would skyrocket even more with the drastic increase in even more urban innercity ghettos.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:06 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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"I cannot undertake to place my finger upon that article of the Constitution which grants a right to Congress to appropriate even one dollar of their constituents money on objects of benevolence or charity." I wish that we had even one government official willing to make such a remark in this day and age.

Secede now! Freedom4 was dead on representing the difference between demokrats and republicans. The socialist agenda of demokrats should only be forced on those who support such foolishness. Let them suffer for their ignorance of history and human nature while leaving us to prosper under natural law that is obeyed by capitalism.

As for the democratic "leaders", they should be exterminated. These are educated individuals willing to enslave the uneducated for the sole purpose of garnering power for themselves which is pure evil.
Their is a special place in hell for individuals that know the true purpose of the democratic platform in America. They should spend eternity under the rule of their idols like Joseph Stalin.
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Does it matter?
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IF we continue the route we are going...why stay as "one nation under their God?" Seriously, why not split up, let those of us who don't believe in fundamentalism and all that nonsense join up with Canada or start our own independent country and let the wingnuts have their half? Everyone could be run by their own laws and everyone could be happy...

...also, sense the US would cease to exist, both sides would suddenly find themselves with no national debts. If the debter, in this case the US, dies, those who are owed money are out of luck and the two new countries can start off with a fresh slate away from one another and free to choose their own destinies...seriously, why not?



EDIT PLEASE NOT THAT I am talking about mutual, non-violent seperation, like what Czechoslovakia did in the early 90s, and not a civil war. We can be peaceful, friendly neighbors while at the same time following our own destinys and running ourselves the way we feel we should be run.
I find it laughable that the other is called "Jesus Land". First of all, I know plenty of Democrats that are religious and I know plenty of Republicans that are not. I think it'd simply be labeled "red and blue states". Alaska would be red btw

I don't think it'd just split up like that though because, if anything, there would be a war over land.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:03 PM
 
Location: In a house
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A wiser option.
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